Talk:Seddie/@comment-24856071-20140225215918/@comment-14284535-20140301220920

Please recall that my belief is based in hard-boiled cynicism.

1. I mentioned before the formula for series like iCarly - the star gets the prime goods and the supporting cast get the leftovers. It is a STUPID formula, but I assume that's what Dan Schneider always wanted. I could always be wrong.

2. Thus, because I don't believe that Dan Schneider believes in anything Seddie (that's why I joke that the only reason Freddie is "made for" Carly is because Creddie is SO artificial), I view the Seddieness he puts into iCarly as largely perfunctory, hence "throwing you a bone." Again, that's a very uncharitable view towards him and, frankly, probably looks really callous towards you.

3. As I think about it, I have to run up the white flag on a few points. I was under the impression that Dan Schneider knew that the Seddie and Creddie shipping split had already developed. If that is wrong, then I concede the point.

4. Similarly, I have to concede that some of the Seddieness was pretty organic. There is no way that someone Dan Schneider's age could not be aware of what a first kiss means. I also should have remembered, "Aw, Sam, if you love me, why don't you just say so?" If Freddie isn't fishing for Sam's interest in the latter one, my offer to eat my laptop still stands.

5. Maybe I am misreading Carly's obvious jealousy of the first Seddie kiss in iThink They Kissed. I always thought that the real reasons she was upset were that: a. she didn't have the hold over Freddie that she thought she did because he didn't wait for her; b. she was jealous of Sam getting the first kiss; and c. she was REALLY jealous that Sam picked Freddier for her first kiss. I can see that you could read that as Carly thinking that maybe Sam and Freddie actually liked each other. So I will conceded this point as well.

6. I think we have a different concept of what "coming out of nowhere" for the Seddie arc is, especially when I refer to it versus the Creddie set-up. IMHO, had the arc been about Creddie, there would have been all sorts of things in season 4 that would let you know that Sam was struggling with her feelings. In fact, that set-up would also have made it clear that Freddie and Carly were completely unaware of how she felt. Every Seddier I know on fanfiction.net has made this complaint. Frankly, that would have been FAR more interesting.