User talk:Katydidit/Archive 3

Eh...

Uh… hey. I’m sure you noticed I haven’t even confronted you after your apology. I didn’t want to give you a message right then because chances are I would have blown up in your face and broken my keyboard while typing so angrily… so… yeah. And I needed time to really think about all this and discuss it with CP. If you’re still reading what we tell each other you probably already found all this out. But anyway… You seriously hurt us so much… we were feeling depressed for days and are still depressed that nothing will ever be the same. I want to forgive you for everything, so I can move on and not keep focusing on this mess. I’d be more comfortable doing that if I’m also assured you’ll stop. :/ I’m trying to handle this the same way I would with any other friendship… to forgive and forget and not let it bother me any more. I want to be at peace with everybody here, and not keep holding a grudge, which won’t help anything and will only make things worse. So, I’m working on fully forgiving you, but if you ever do anything close to this again we’re confronting you and making you pay. Hope this clears things up! :) (BTW CP and I agreed on all these points…) Samlovesham 06:24, July 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * For all this caterwauling about what I did (talk only!), I didn't break any rules on this wiki (regarding chatting only with you and CP). I did, with that other character I wrongly blogged about and got into a fight with when I should have only blocked him and let him cry to others. I believe you are upset because you found out I had previously chatted with CP (and then she had to leave because of her low grades) and you thought I was being 'unfaithful' to you or something like that. Hey, can't somebody love someone else also later on when the first one moved away--so to speak as CP did? About 'A', I *never* talked to her as I did with first CP and then you or felt the same way. So, she has nothing to do with this at all. Same for your invalid point about XxCreddieShipperxX and another pic. I never said it had to be a 'bad' pic or anything like that to show on this wiki, or your point about her would have had more validity. So, stop bringing up other people who are extraneous to this whole matter. I'm sorry you were hurt and still hurt. I'm not sorry I said I cared about you--and I still do, same for CP. If you want to blame someone else for making this whole thing more public than it ever should have been, it's S. and his big mouth trying to 'get even' with me for merely chatting with you and CP, when I caught him *really abusing* our members. It's almost a shame he didn't do that to either you (or CP) to feel real abuse from someone. The only thing I did was write that I cared about you and CP, and it wasn't at the same time because she left the wiki due to her low grades. What is the minimum age do you believe is acceptable for me to chat with someone on this wiki from now on, if it isn't anything to do with iCarly? And anything I write *off-this-wiki* with anyone from this wiki is obviously nobody else's business, just as our head guy said. That said, there is *no law* against merely *chatting* anywhere or anytime with anyone, except when an arrangement is made on a wiki, and there is still no explicit or implicit rule against merely chatting. There is that new rule adopted that I agreed with that users not give out personal info (exact address, etc.). And if you did give out some personal info to me--who's fault was that? Whatever you might have told me is *not* going to be blabbed anywhere else--as I promised you before. I always try my hardest to keep my promises to someone, and I will do that for both you and CP. You should know, I've chatted before on other forums with teens who were 17+, but never, ever met any--including you and CP and I didn't feel the same way about them, as I did about you and CP. So, if you think that is so awful, there are tens of millions of guys 21+ who do the same thing (even married guys--and I'm not married), and there is nothing wrong with it (for single people--maybe not for married ones) as long as no meeting is actually done, and even then there has to be 'you-know' done before it is actually illegal according to the law in that person's location. I know if I talk to a young user unrelated to iCarly as an admin, I won't be an admin and I understand that. If I wasn't an admin, and the chat was between two users who wanted to chat, would that be against any rule as long as no abuse or harrassment ocurred? Think about that, because there *still* is no rule against chatting with someone on this wiki from any age to any other age as long as no abuse, harrassment, threats, etc. are done. And I never did any of those categories, and you (and CP) know that. BTW, you will never be 'labeled' that terrible name S called me not only on here but in his tweets. You think I haven't been punished enough just for that? Hah! I never *did* anything to be labeled that way, and I'm sure you know that. So, don't think I didn't suffer as much as you or got 'paid a price'--because I did--and I was also *deeply distressed and depressed*, maybe more than you and CP were, and I thought seriously about quitting this wiki completely if I had to suffer that way, and put up with on crazy (S) people who don't like getting caught actually verbally abusing members and including *screenshots* of their comments. That was despicable, and now the rules say nobody can do that without getting punished here. I'm sorry again for hurting you and CP in any way that you believe I did, and never meant to do so and you (and CP) know that, and things snowballed when S got into this unnecessarily and blabbed about it. If I don't get to say this later to you, and I forgot the exact date now, you have a Happy Birthday next month. Katydidit 07:21, July 2, 2011 (UTC) I've promised I won't do it again on this wiki, and I do hope we can be friends again. If you ever need to want to contact me off this wiki, you know I will read it and take seriously anything you tell me or ask of me. I never planned any of this to end up the way it did--it just did and I apologize. I hope you will forgive my errors, and if you want to tell CP the same thing for me, I'd appreciate it. You know I wish you both only the best, and never did I want to hurt either of you. You and her were the only two I felt that special way for, and that's the truth--nobody else. Thank you for trying to understand and forgiving me. Katydidit 13:03, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

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Look, I'm sincerely sorry if you got offended at me and SLH's recent conversations, but you really are *completely* missing the point! This isn't about Slick, this isn't about the wiki or it's rules; it's about US. Saying that you "love" somebody may not be a big deal to you; maybe you're just showing casual affection; but it *really* means a lot to a girl when you say it. I admit, I went crazy and took it all too personally and went too fast and overreacted to it, but you really made me feel loved and special.


 * And you were, and I meant it. I said that in my previous message to you. You still don't believe me. So, I won't bother you again if that's the way you want it. I want to do what you want. If you don't believe me, then you don't believe me. I'm done with this, and I've gone through hell because of this whole thing with you getting jealous over me talking to someone else--and partially (or maybe the reason completely) is because you had to leave the wiki because of your low grades.

But then when you go do and say the exact same things with another girl, and the girl finds out through someone else, I'm *not* gonna lie; it hurts. It hurts a lot. It makes the things we said and the time we spent together *way* less special.
 * I'm sorry it happened that way. It probably wouldn't have happened at all if you hadn't left the wiki, but I'm not blaming you because of that circumstance you had. You have to try to believe me--none of this was intentionally done to hurt you. And I've apologized numerous times to you and SLH about this. I don't know what else I can do. I have feelings too, you know. ■That's* why we're upset. And *that's* why we don't want you doing it to us, or anyone else, anymore.


 * I won't. I promised you (and SLH) the same in my previous message today. What more do you *want* from me? How much more blood does it take for me to give on this? What else can I do? I've said it a number of times now. I'm done.

This is the *last straw*, and if you can't/don't understand this, we're both *done*. We mean it.


 * So am I. I told you I won't bother you again. Ditto for SLH, or anyone else that way. What else can I say???

Oh, and one other thing, it was totally lame of you to erase some of SLH's message.
 * This is *my* talk page, and I'll delete what I want so others don't see what they don't need to see, especially that scumbag who *did* see it and blabbed his disgusting idea all-over here and in his tweets. If you don't like it: sorry, but that's how it is when you (or SLH) say things that others don't need to see. I've already read it and understood what you were saying. Ok?

What? Are you really still trying to cover all this up when it's already escalated this high?


 * Gee, if I wanted to cover this up as if I really had something to hide, I would have done so with *all* my previous correspondences with you and SLH a long time ago so that blabbermouth wouldn't have seen it and made it public. I know you are saying he had nothing to do with how you feel, but it made ME feel like I had done some criminal thing, when you and SLH know I didn't, and you never defended me on what he said about me. THAT word is worse than calling someone a murderer in many peoples' eyes, and I was profoundly and deeply hurt by him saying that. Ok, enough about him.

You're making it obvious that you have something to hide, and that's not gonna make you look any better.
 * I'm sorry I hurt you and SLH, but I said what I truly believed then, and I wasn't lying or anything like that. If you don't believe me, then there's no point in talking anymore here about it. I've apologized to you both more than enough times, so no more apologies are going to do you or SLH any good. What do you WANT from me, blood?

So, I'm sorry that I have to be this way with you, but I just still don't think you fully regret what you did or understand why it hurt us. I want to believe that you're still decent enough to get where I'm coming from and not think I'm just trying to pick a fight.


 * Ok, I regret that I inadvertantly hurt you both. Is that what you wanted to hear so it doesn't look as if I was just playing games? I wasn't. If you write me again here, I may not even bother looking at it completely if you don't acknowledge the points I made about this, and have made consistently and without trying deliberately to hurt either of you. I don't know what else I can say. This has gone on now for almost 3 weeks, and I've said everything I can possibly say to tell you how sorry I am for your (and SLH) hurt. We're all hurting. None of us is going to be the same. I only wish we could all be better right now by snapping my fingers. I don't know what else I can say, and there's certainly nothing I can do except to say one final time: I'm sorry and I regret hurting you both, which is the last thing I wanted. I hope that helps you both heal and as quickly as possible. Ok now? Katydidit 17:32, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I guess I'm gonna have to take your word for it. I apologize because I know all this has brought out a *really* ugly side of me; it's mostly my fault, anyway. I regret bringing up this whole situation to SLH or anyone. I didn't mean to keep dwelling on it; I had already forgiven you, but some things were said that fueled the hurt, and I became angry and miserable all over again. If you couldn't already tell, I'm under an enourmous amount of stress and the fact that I'm not even allowed on this wiki anymore doesn't help. I'm sorry for taking out some of my angst on you. The truth is, I don't deserve anybody's friendship here. I've made too many people's lives a *living hell* over this. My jealousy is petty and my bitterness is pathetic. As long as you understand why we were hurt and upset, I think we'll be okay. I'm just gonna go now while I still have some dignity... :/


 * I liked your tone so much better now, although I understood your previous angry tone. I'm sorry you aren't allowed on this wiki. Maybe you will in a few more months? We all enjoyed your blogs and comments. I knew you forgave me before, but then started (along with SLH) it up again, and I couldn't understand why. I wish you weren't under so much stress that got you unnerved to say those things to me. I knew you were correct on some points and I acknowledged my mistakes on those. At least they were honest mistakes. I wasn't being dishonest at all. I'm not that kind of a guy and never will be. I knew jealousy had something to do with your feelings becaused I sensed that was much of your sadness. You *do* deserve all of our friendship on this wiki, including mine, if you still want it. I certainly understand your (and possibly SLH's) feelings of me saying how I felt about you both, at the times I did--and they *were* different times because you had left the wiki. If the situation was reversed, I might feel exactly the way you did. You have dignity, and so do SLH and myself. I think we might be able to salvage something good out of all of this, at the very least just being friends again would be enough for me right now. What about you? I hope your grades were good again by the end of this last school year. :-) Friends now? I really do hope so, and you hang in there because I think everyone on this wiki likes you and is pulling for you. Katydidit 18:55, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Idk. I feel like the "bad guy" for putting everyone through this. Especially since I'm mostly the one to blame. There's just one thing I can't understand. How could you have possibly "loved" me *and* SLH, unless if it's a different kind of love that I had misinterpreted all along? I only ask because you make it sound so casual, like it's *normal* to love two people at once, like that. Just because I left didn't mean I would be gone for good. Were you not going to wait for me unless I had e-mailed you? If I had not left, would you have never become friends with SLH? IDK. Maybe. Also, I was never really jealous of your friendship with SLH, it just hurt that you never even bothered to tell me about it. I would have been less mad if I had heard it from you, you know? How could I have told you about it when you were gone for months and I had no idea when you would come back, if ever? The jealousy I was talking about in my above post was referring to my personality in general, and not so much towards SLH. Quite the contrary, this whole situation has brought us much closer! (In a common hatred for you! lol)k Anyway, I have to admit that I'm still *really* confused on how to feel about you, right now. I'm feeling a mixure of *guilt* for putting everyone (especially you and SLH) through this, and also because of my mom; I also feel *selfish* for trying to make myself feel better through putting others down, and also for kind of expecting everybody to fix my problems; I'm also *angry* because what SLH said about you still has some truth to it; among other mixed emotions. Above all, however, like I said, I'm just *confused*, and I don't know what to do, anymore.... :/


 * I'm feeling something similar.

Oh, btw, you said you liked my "tone" better now; is that because I was blaming and downing on myself instead of just blaming you??????


 * Partially that. Saying things when angry usually leads to saying things we wish hadn't been said and regrets later. We both fed-off-each-other, if you get what I'm trying to say. Let's try to put all this behind us now. The anger has been expressed by all of us, so I think we now got that out of the way, and we can go forward now. All of us involved are more understanding and wiser about this experience, and we can be better people. Does that sound good to you? Katydidit 01:16, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

For the wiki's sake, I'm *not* going to continue *belittling* you with my anger. I care about everybody here too much to continue ruining people's lives with all this drama. I think it's time we move past this. Deal? (I can't speak for SLH, though.) Okay, I'm gonna have a little *fun* with this, so please bear with me. ;) If you look at our relationship in terms of a TV series, here's how I analyze it: Season 1: Boy meets girl. Boy and girl *instantly* hit it off. Girl falls *head-over-heels* for boy, and falls all over his (suspicious) sweet-talk, and somehow manages to look past the *major age difference*. Season 2: Things start to get more *flirty* and *serious* between the boy and girl, but right when they are at their closest, they are forced to separate. In addition, the girl's mother makes it known that she does *not* like the boy. To stay in contact with her little friend, she starts *communicating* with him through e-mails and Twitter, going against her mother, all to try and live out some sick, twisted fantasy of hers. Pretty soon, however, she realizes she is in *way* over her head. Season 3: This is where things start to get all *juicy* and *dramatic*! ;) The girl manages to reunite with the boy, but soon finds out that (*ahem*) he was communicating with *another* girl. The girl is hurt and devastated, and as hard as she tries to explain this to the guy, he continues to act stubborn, whiny and defensive. He tries to "play innocent" in a weak attempt to salvage his already ruined reputation. However, the girl realizes that she is the one who is mainly responsible and mostly to blame, and begins to regret ever getting involved with him. Nevertheless, the two decide to forgive and forget and agree to stay friends, and "break up", if you will. (Which is right about where *we* are.) The aftermath is that the girl *slaps* any lingering feelings she has for the boy *out of her system*, and realizes she needs some *serious* therapy, and perhaps medication to control her *idiotic girl hormones*. So, yeah, *I* would watch it. I would call it Crazy Insane Wackadoos Whom Are Out Of Their Minds. We may even be able to dedicate an *entire wiki* to it! You're probably going to delete all this as soon as you read it, but you *have* to admit, it was pretty spot-on! ;)


 * CP, you are so wacky--that's probably part of your charm that appealed to me in my wacky part of me. ;)

Look, if you get a *kick* out of chatting with minors, who am *I* to stop you? I mean, it's *your* life. Just be careful of what you say to them, because you *never* know how some crazy wackadoo might interpret it (aka. me!). But, now I'm just having fun with you, so no hard feelings on the harsh accuracy of the series. :) You know I wasn't all that naive about that, and I definitely learned something out of all this scary, crazy drama. The point is, when we met, you caught me at a time when I was *vulnerable*, and had an extremely *low* self-esteem. I guess you could say that in a way, I was just *using* you to nurture my pathetic ego. But, I've *stopped* basing my happiness on what other people think of me; I *like* who I am, and feel much better about myself, now, and I don't need you to give me *sweet compliments* to make me feel good. That's not to say that I don't appreciate a little support every once in a while, though. ;)


 * I'm glad I could could you a 'boost' before when you really needed it. I wasn't just being cutesy or playing, I meant it. You came across to me as a fun person, although moody sometimes, and I did want to help you at least a little in you seeing your positive points and looking at them more than your negative ones. Just one more thing, *please* don't put Jennette through this!  Haha, I'm *terrible*, aren't I? LOL Yeah, you're gonna get me re-interested in you all over again , with your wonderful (but wacky) sense of humor. I'm glad we could resolve this more peacefully than I thought could be after all we went through. (let's do it again real soon when things start to get boring. LOL) Take care, and I'm sure I'll be commenting on your comments (and vice versa) on the wiki pages. I'm even starting to post more on the Victorious wiki now, too since I've started to enjoy that series more now. Katydidit 17:32, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, even though it's going to be really hard, I'm going to try and stop myself from falling in love with you, again! Same with you, old man! ;) Try to control yourself; I mean it. I *am* fun, wacky and moody! You so get me! That's why I lo-I mean, really like you. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna stop before things gets crazy, again! See ya! Glad we could get past this silly fight! I'm glad you and SLH made up, too! ;) Sorry!! :/

Hi- I wish I were (was? were? I don't even know) here yesterday when CP left the message to you so I could be a part of that... but I had to leave right then and I got back at like 1:30 am :( I'm glad things look like they're better now between you two and I want to make sure things are ok between us also. When I left my other message I never tried to sound angry or make you think I'd never forgive you- I tried to do the opposite, but it looks like you either took it the wrong way or I wrote it the wrong way because I think we can both agree that message didn't really resolve much with us. So I'll shorten it up to nothing else but this: I'm forgiving you and hoping we can both move on without feeling dumb about this. I agree with what you said above-- we've all definitely learned from this and hopefully none of us will make the same mistakes again. I'm sorry if I seemed like I was ignoring you or sounding angry- because I'm sure it did seem like that. I was just confused and mad and sad and about everything else you can think of. I really don't want to stay focused on this any more- for the sake of us and for the whole wiki, and the poor other admins who have had to worry if this would ever get resolved. And also, I admit I was overreacting when I was worried you'd let some of my personal information "get out"- you promised a long time ago you'd never do that and I know you never would. So.. hope all of this sounds ok with you :) Samlovesham 15:48, July 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * It definitely sounds ok with me. I'm glad this seems to be over now and peacefully resolved. I thought it would never end. I'm so sorry I did hurt you and CP, however inadvertantly I may have done so. I felt the same way (mad, sad, hurt, angry, etc.) as you did. Believe me, I kicked myself more than almost anyone else on how this got out-of-control. It wasn't any one person's particular fault. It was all of us in our own unique way of looking at things through our own prism, because we are individual thinking (and feeling) persons. I'm glad we can be friends again. I'm sure we will be replying on each other's comments on these (iCarly) pages, and maybe even the Victorious pages that I now enjoy making comments and edits on. Katydidit 01:00, July 4, 2011 (UTC)