Talk:PappyRappy!!/@comment-5228079-20120717120851/@comment-5368922-20120805093453

In most cases you are correct about pro's and non pro's. But not in all cases. There are many people who aren't pro fighters, but have learned to fight on the streets. Those people often have a natural born strength and use "street fighting techniques" This means they fight mean and dirty, using everyting they know. There are a lot of pro fighters who are beaten by "street fighters" simply because they are used to fight by following the rules of an official match. You can see Sam as a street fighter... She's no pro BUT is strong, can lift, punches hard, uses armbars, leg locks and other wrestling techniques.

The thing you mentioned about using someone's strength against him/her is true. Forms of martial arts where people are capable of doing this are Aikido, Hapkido, Jiu Jitsu and Judo. In the iCarly universe, Shelby Marx as far as I know is a boxer/kickboxer. Boxers and kickboxers don't use other peoples strength against them, but are looking for that one punch or kick that can knock out their opponent. So I don't think that Shelby Marx is capable of using Sam's own strength against her.

Than compare their bodies... You mentioned Carly is light like a feather. But Shelby Marx herself is light too! For example, look at both Sam and Shelby's legs. Sam's legs are much thicker and more powerful. Same goes for the arms. So yes, Sam is physically much stronger than Shelby Marx. As I mentioned earlier, in a fight without intervention of a referee Sam would leave Shelby Marx no chance. In a close distance fight she would have advantage of her strength and wrestling skills and easily take down Shelby by using an armbar, choke hold or leg lock. She has shown it several times in the iCarly episodes. In an official match WITH a referee, Shelby Marx would probably win just because of the rules. OR as mentioned earlier by several people, Sam would be disqualified.

Last but not least, the fight between Carly and Shelby Marx I think wasn't a fight at all, because Carly is just a chicken shit that doesn't know how to put up a fight. That's why she held on to Shelby's leg the whole time. A fight between Sam and Shelby Marx would be a very interesting fight though.