Talk:Seddie/@comment-3236237-20140413125920/@comment-24856071-20140415032547

Here's the thing: I don't know what was really endgame. I mostly agree with @Seddie4everalways that there technically was NO endgame, but as you all know, Creddiers are 100% CONFIDENT that Creddie was endgame because that iGoodbye kiss says it all, and Seddiers are NOW confident that Seddie was endgame with #TheKillerTunaJump.

As to the idea of what was the plan to be endgame WITHOUT Sam and Cat, I'm again really conflicted. I mean, overall, it is very possible that  think might have been NO endgame plan and they just kept on switching from Creddie to Seddie. But of course, Creddiers and neutral fans have clearly stated that Creddie was ALWAYS the plan, even with the Seddie arc (it is believed that the Seddie arc was to "shut us up" so they can go on with their plan of having Creddie be endgame).

My opinion? Even if I WASN'T a Seddier (if I was a NEUTRAL fan), I would say that they definitely had the plan of Creddie at the BEGINNING of iCarly, but I have felt that after iKiss aired and when they started writing Season 3, they were leaning towards Seddie. Even AFTER iLove You, even if Freddie started crushing on Carly again, it is CLEARLY shown that Sam DEFINITELY still cares and/or loves Freddie, and in my opinion, Sam still having feelings for Freddie seemed more focused on than Freddie going back to crushing on Carly.

As to whether it was a "romantic date" on Sam and Cat? In my Seddie world, I would love to say "yes, of course!" But knowing Dan, I'm still skeptical. I was in an argument per se with a Creddie fan on Twitter and they had said "I watched #TheKillerTunaJump, and there was NO Seddie in it, so move on." That may have been a Creddie fan just angry and in denial that there was CLEAR Seddie in the special, but I'm sure Creddiers who DID watch it perceived the dinner as just "friends hanging out", because a guy and a girl can go out to dinner just as friends. A side note, the Cabbie talk of going out to dinner, however, was DEFINITELY a date. So if we ever find out that the Cabbie dinner was a date and the Seddie one wasn't, I'd be super pissed.

I talk A LOT about this stuff in my Seddie/Creddie debate if you go back a couple of pages. But yeah, those are my thoughts.