Talk:Seddie/@comment-3180503-20141224181647/@comment-3180503-20141224183613

@Tash Okay, I'm not gonna say that the crazy Jathan fans played absolutely ZERO role in their eventual drift BUT I believe to pin it all on the shippers isn't very fair because (here comes one of my infamous lists)...

A.) Other on-screen couples like Raura have tons of real-life shippers and this doesn't bother them in the slightest. They have remained close friends throughout the course of the show.

B.) The ONLY conceivable reason Jathan would bother Jathan THIS much is if something had already happened to strain their friendship. Otherwise, they would be happy to see their fans supporting their friendship because hey actually had one back then.

C.) They were absolutely fine with Jathan to a point until around 2011. Are you not yet seeing the connection? At that point, Madisen already appeared and Jennette was already starting to drift from Nathan.

D.) I'm not gonna say that the Jathan shipping didn't put a visible strain on Nathan's relationship with Madisen; fair enough. However, for the majority of the time, it was Jennette that began to actively avoid Nathan all of a sudden. As we've stated repeatedly, this wasn't a natural, gradual drift. It was all at once and it was coming mainly from Jennette's side. If Jathan was such an issue for the both of them, why does Nathan continue to speak glowingly of her only to encourage Jathan shippers? It makes no sense. He obviously means it and he obviously cares about her regardless of what shippers think. It is simply Jennette who has not returned the sentiments.

Basically, what I'm saying is, Jathan's public denouncement of Jathan and the rabid shippers are merely a symptom and not a cause of this whole ordeal. :P