Talk:Creddie/@comment-3101374-20131105074931/@comment-14284535-20131109012441

Preamble: before I write anything, I should point out that I have no interest in shipping; hence "I Embargo." Also, my bias is that I don't believe in "meant to be," "the one true pairing," and the like. If you don't agree with what I write below, I am perfectly willing to read what you have. (Mind you, I have read most of it over the years.  The children of my friends and relatives love this show more than I love Doctor Who, but they don't understand the vitriol between the ships.  And, unlike them, I'm not that big a fan of the show, but you fans are awesome.  Seriously.)  And if we can't convince the other, hey, we're different people. That's what makes freedom great.

Per my usual analyses, I assume everything on the screen at face value. Thus, Dan Schneider's hilarious rationalisation of the Creddie kiss in "iGoodbye" to placate Seddiers is somewhere between disingenuous and ludicrous. Carly's behaviour before then, Freddie's reaction, and Carly saying "I love you" to all the guys while only looking at Freddie prove this. Hence, I also take Freddie's proclamation of love in "iLove You" to be, as you Creddiers put it, "the good way."

Among other reasons, he already knows that Sam loves him "the good way" from the ending of "iCan't Take It." For him to say that he loves her and mean it in any other way would make him a jerk and a half. Also, if your theory is correct, then you seem to be arguing that he settled for Sam and used her to mark time with until Carly came around. That would just compound the offence. No one deserves to be treated like that. IMHO, viewing his love for Sam as being anything other than genuine and "the good way" undermines his character so badly that, if that were true, then both girls should drop him as a friend (cf. Jonah).

Hence, from my point of view, Freddie grew out of a crush that, frankly, I found creepy. He then had to get past his preconceptions with Sam to have his first mature relationship, and then grew up again afterwards. And because he grew up, Carly eventually started to realise that she should stop dating people who have traits like Freddie (is there any other reason for her to look at the Pear Store for guys?), that maybe dating Freddie would be better. IMHO, if he hadn't done that, Carly would not have a reason to view him in a different light.

Mind you, IMHO, none of this excuses Freddie from bringing up the possibility of getting back together with Sam in that phone call just beforehand - no matter the reason.