Talk:Seddie/@comment-3180503-20150508143850/@comment-24774793-20150508173714

alright here first, I'm pretty sure that Miranda is indiffrent on Nathan totally as in she could care less about him overall. I got that feeling when she was on the show as well. If he is there, he is there if not he is not I really don't think she cares.

I also dislike Madison BUT I think we are laying too much blame at her feet here. If Jennette wanted to be friends with Nathan she would, she bypassed Colton and her entire family on Paul, I think in the long run Madison's issues with Nathan do nothing more than what Jennette already was doing, she is kinda talking to Nathan with Madison still around so

. I don't think it is totally Madison's fault that Jathan broke up, Nathan let that happen with his actions around that time and his actions are SOLEY on him. I think we need to stop laying the plame on "munipulatie madison" and agknolage that Nathan has responsibility for his own behaviour. He chose to go to Madison, he chose to stay with her, he chose and still choses to defend her. Is Madison a fame whore? Yes but is she responcible for the breakup of Jathan? NO Jathan broke up on it's own for many of the reasons @Cheetah said below. Changes in BOTH Jennette and Nathan. Madison did not make Jathan religious, he was before and decided to just act more on it. We need to stop acting like the Jathaners who attacked her for being with Nathan.