Talk:Seddie/@comment-3150544-20101111213409/@comment-3150544-20101112211155

@churchpants: What I'm saying about the TRU FEELINGZ theory is that while it may be true, it doesn't matter to my main point. Sam has always been abusive and violent to Freddie. Do you really want him to end up with someone that constantly humiliates him physically and emotionally, someone who can only express her feelings through violence? Yes, violence. And iMeet Fred is canon, whether you like the episode or not. She beats him up all the time, goes out of her way to be mean to him, and the one time he tries to fight back, during iKiss, she ends up humiliating him in front of millions of people.

Yes, Carly has lead him on on a few occasions. But Sam has done much, much worse to him. And most of you Seddie shippers are so hypocritical: you complain that Carly is perfect, but then you also complain that she only likes guys because of their 'titles' or that she leads on Freddie. Those are called FLAWS, people. Yet somehow Sam being physically abusive and emotionally unavailable is somehow acceptable?

@churchpants:

4. Carly developed feelings for Freddie because she was flattered by what he did, not because it was 'convenient' for her. But again, does that 'shallow' thing really compare to all the things Sam has done to Freddie? And DON'T try to bring up the 'true feelings' theory. It doesn't matter. The point is she's horrible to him.

5. That's your opinion, and I'm not going to try and change it. I, personally, would be totally put-off by a Sam/Freddie relationship, but that's just me.

6. Maybe there's a REASON that guys seem to like Carly. She's not aggressive, mean, or violent. Guys tend to respond to sweetness better than they respond to hostility, unless they have their own self-esteem issues. I think it's a bad message to send to say, "oh, you can make a guy's life a living hell but he'll still love you!" No. It doesn't actually work like that.

7. And Carly wouldn't? You've already seen that she got really upset and jealous during iThink They Kissed. Either pairing would clearly leave the other feeling left out and third wheel-esque.

8. Again, that's your opinion. I find Miranda and Nathan to have great chemistry and adorable moments. I honestly don't see what's endearing about a girl that goes out of her way to be cruel to a guy. But that's just opinion, and there's no point in arguing about it.

9. First of all, Carly does not get whatever she wants. I also don't see how that's relevant to the conversation. But if you think that's true, think about why: she's smart, hardworking, and nice, qualities that tend to lead to success, whereas Sam is aggressive, hostile, and lazy. THAT'S why she gets everything she wants. She works at it. You generally want to see the nice guy win.