Talk:Seddie/@comment-4071010-20120515035344/@comment-3247345-20120515050748

I always saw Carly as closer to Mary Sue than Sam, A casual viewer the show who doesn't really pay attention to how the characters develop might call Carly a Mary Sue. While a closer look would prove them wrong, it wouldn't be unreasonable for them to think that. It kind of fits, but when you look at the flaws that were written into her character, it shows just how imperfect that description is. I think a Mary Sue is really just an extreme form of character that no well written character fits perfectly, although some do come close. Like @WeevilWobble said, it's less about describing the character and more about insulting the character for the most part. Sam hate is really a function of Seddie hate. People who actively try to find reasons to hate a character are really just trying to undermine a ship that rivals their own. In contrast, loving a ship generally comes from loving a character. For Seddie shippers, that means they like Sam. The difference is that hate starts with a ship and extends to the character but liking starts with the character and extends to a ship, like it should be. There's really no reason to hate any of the main characters, no matter what you ship.