Talk:Seddie/@comment-5998251-20151215220021/@comment-14284535-20151218003146

 Even if we give Nathan Kress 100% of the benefit of the doubt on his position, there is something about all of his crap that eludes me.

I assume that, by the structure of the series, some version of Seddie versus Creddie was inevitable. Hence, Nathan Kress should just ignore that to begin with. (The fact that he hasn't is disconcerting.)

 Thus, let's deal with Jathan only. Let's even ignore how much he and Jennette gushed over each other for the first few years of iCarly or how Jennette portrays her feelings for and her relationship with his doppelganger at the beginning of part two of "What's Next for Sarah?"

Even if I give him every break possible, how on Earth is he completely oblivious to the fact that the reason that the ONLY reason Jathaners could exist was because they saw something in his and Jennette's performances that smacks of colossal mutual crushes? I mentioned a couple of years ago that when I listen to the series and don't watch, many episodes that sound putatively Creddie, like iThink They Kissed, iTwins, and iSpeed Date, look 100% Seddie when I watch them. The ONLY way to explain that is the visuals. Honestly, a couple of times (iTwins in particular), their flirting is pretty syrupy.

How can he honestly, non-self-deludingly think Jathan came from nowhere? Fans only start thinking about real life shipping only when they see something repeatedly and over a long time (that cleary is true for Jathan). His self-denial of this speaks ill of his future as an actor.