User blog comment:Sockstar1/Overconfidence and misconceptions/@comment-3092491-20110518060728

You actually make almost all good points Sock :) Seems they haven't been tainted with any Sam-hate, Seddie/Seddie shipper-hate bias. The only ones I'd really comment on are the *I'm glad you get it* and *Sam is in love with Freddie. That is CANON*, and I may or may not expand on that in this post...depends how worked up I get myself in the next bit I'm going to write.

All your other points are basically solid, as far as humans and emotions and circumstances go. I'd never disagree with them in that light no matter who was saying them. But I've always taken the standpoint that I feel you can pretty well determine how certain situations on the show (any show almost) will play out based on examining the show's past episodes, developments, characterizations, tone, mood, etc. etc. A bunch of chiz like that. And of course you have to have confidence in your ability to read those kinds of things to even begin to make such predictions. Well, predictions are what vested fans are supposed to do...being confident in them I see nothing wrong with, as long as that confidence doesn't lead into bashing of the the other ship/shippers/characters.

My sympathies to Creddie shippers that feel "down" because of confidently made Seddie predictions. I encourage them to be overly confident as well :) Fight those b****** Seddies back, I say! Eh, I'm kinda kidding. I do enjoy a good debate. Not everyone does though.

And, I'm pretty much done with that...


 * I'm glad you get it* - that was vague enough a statement by Dan that I don't think anyone can 100% determine what part of the post he was replying to. I could pull some reasons from up my sleeve as to why I believe it was the Sam feelings part - The main ones being he'd already replied in a few posts about the questioning around Sam's feelings in that last scene, with a lean towards hinting rather strongly that it was an important moment for the fans to read into - why wouldn't he be addressing the same here? And also that it's nearly a moot point to argue anyway, seeing as "why have the scene if it didn't have major significance" being a good question is pretty much answered by iOMG, with the statement from the post how her "possibly having feelings for the nerd" being given a big ol' YES.

But when it all comes down to it I don't think you can determine that he was replying to the "enjoy with out shipping" part anymore than someone can say he was responding to the "Sam's feelings" part.


 * Sam is in love with Freddie. That is CANON* - Sure, sure, we can all dance around things all we want and say this and that aren't "canon", but when it comes down to it, the episode was about Sam having feelings for someone, and the ending was about everyone being wrong about who it is because it was actually FREDDIE. If you want to say anything else, you're just twisting and twisting unnecessarily to get a better view. TV show writers use LOVE when they mean love...there isn't a lot of good reason to rename that in "crush" an episode or more later. The lack of emotional expense with a crush could still be used with love if they so desired. It was done in iSYL wasn't it? Carly said she loved Freddie and that was more or less subverted into nothing with a bacon analogy.

And another thing that always bugs me with some people is this seeming inability to read the difference between a joke and a serious development in a show like iCarly. Sam's "canon crush" on Spencer was a joke...whatever is going on with Freddie is serious. So bringing up her crush on Spencer isn't much of an argument.

Really, my final say in all this is just that, "definite", "will never", "isn't going to" or "can never" are all good and fine statements as long as you put an "I think," in front of them. You can add a "based on..." too, if you want.