User talk:Sockstar1/Archive 1

I'd like to talk to you about your block again.

You are right in some points, I may have been too hard on you; I deleted your blog too quickly instead of asking you to change it first, the three months were too long for a first offense, and not letting you edit your own talk page was my mistake. While SeddieBerserker approved of blocking you at first, the severity of your punishment was all my doing, he had nothing to do with it. I apologize for this.

We'd be ready to unblock you if you change the wording of your blog. While blogs are supposed to be a place for personal opinions, you sometimes show pure hatred for the charracter of Sam and the ship Seddie, which is not acceptable. We want this site to be a place for iCarly fans, regardless of what they ship, and its necessary for everyone to be respectful with what they say in order to do that.

Here is the text of your deleted blog; I will mark the passages that are the most problematic:

If you rephrase your blog so it respects other peoples' feelings and opinions and promise not to display open hatred to any character, cast or crew member any more, there is nothing that stands in the way of you being unblocked.

Mak23686 13:09, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't be putting that blog back, as it'd just cause another round of Creddie vs Seddie drama following the recent pro-Seddie ones saying Creddie will never happen for X reason, that Freddie's feelings for Carly are insignificant vs the ones Sam apparently has for Freddie, or that Carly would never date Freddie ever or that Dan killed off Creddie and we should be happy we got iSYL.

I wouldn't create any more blogs or speculation until it's much closer to the new episode or even only after it's aired. More drama is the last thing I want to happen and I'd be deleting my other two blogs as well if I get any control back.

If I commented, I'd probably be on Spam/Creddie pages and that'd be it. In fact, if possible, I would suggest a editing block on the Seddie page/comments/Sam if it would help reduce potential issues.

I'd also like to say that I do not 'hate' Sam. If I hated Sam, why would I have written Nothing Left To Say which is a Cam story, You're Afraid Of Bigfoot and Artistic Inspiration which are Spam stories, The Bet which is a Seddie inclusive story, Beneath The Pale Moonlight which has dozens of chapters involving Sam and finally Narcissus Poeticus which is an outright Seddie fic?

A more accurate description would be that I very much prefer Sam either single, or as part of a relationship with Spencer or Carly (or another character such as Brad on the show because Spam/Cam won't happen) because those relationships don't have issues and double standards that make Seddie unpalatable for myself. And that I believe Sam as a character is and would be far more suited to a healthy sustainable relationship with them. And to state the obvious, yes, also because I like Creddie.

Unfortuately, in this environment, people become too caught up in painting people in black and white (or should I say Purple and whatever the Creddie colour is, do we even have one?) that the shades of grey are washed out.

But I do apologise for any offence my blog caused and I'm sorry this had to take up so much of your time. Sockstar1 17:53, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

I unblocked you; Let's begin anew and hope you will prove yourself to be a valuable member of the community. Mak23686 18:02, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

I'm still blocked. I can't edit my other blogs. Sockstar1 18:16, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Your block log says I unblocked you 20 minutes ago; maybe it needs some time to take effect. Mak23686 18:18, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

I've checked my time settings, and the block is expiring in 24 hours. It's not a big deal if you can't change it, I'll just wait for it to expire. Can you also check if there's any seperate IP ban? Sockstar1 18:25, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

I apologize for my attitude towards you the last few months. I realize I had no reason to be at your forum, but I didn't get you blocked here as retaliation. Let's just call a truce and move on. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  21:35, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re: My blog
(I'm also Roxas82, I roleplay as Sam. I'm sorry if the blog offended you, but it was merely to point out the friendship between Carly and Sam, which people seem to be forgetting about. In people's haste to win with either Seddie, or Creddie, they forget that a core part of the show is about Carly and Sam's friendship. I'm sorry if it came off as abrasive to Creddiers, I was reacting to Creddie blogs that always seemed to look over Sam when they paired Carly and Freddie together.

If it was based on the comments, I wouldn't object to its deletion, bc I don't agree with all of the opinions stated. Personally, I respect each ship, Creddie and Seddie, but realistically, at this point in the series, I don't see Creddie as endgame. As a Cam shipper, I'd hope that this could be seen as a logical standpoint from watching the events of iOMG and not a personal biased.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

MellamoSammo! 16:42, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

My issues with the couple of blogs I have brought to the admins are not personal but observational as a Creddie fan.

There is an inherent imbalance in the system of this wikia, where Creddie is shoved to the side and allowed to be bashed and ridiculed and attacked because the two dominant admins are a Seddie admin and one who has a very strong connection to the Seddie admin.

I say this with the respect, but they simply do not stand up for the rights of Creddie and it's users (like they do for Seddie) here because they are ''not part of the Creddie sub-community. ''It's much easier to stand up for the rights of a group you are part of than a group you aren't, and in some cases actively oppose, and that isn't a slight on the admins but a mere fact of life for a multi-group community.

The imbalance of the wikia is also caused by the continual cycle of "Creddie users join the site, get bashed or see Creddie being bashed, find the site unfriendly towards them then leave."

The Creddie admin is relatively passive from what I can see, making a redress of this imbalance even more difficult.

I am not sure if the admin powers allowed comments to be edited/removed, and bashing comments are what I would prefer deleted over having entire blogs deleted.

As for your idea about Sam being overlooked. I would say that as a Creddie fan, I find it astonishing the amount of people who not only look over Carly, but do the same to Freddie as well, pushing his existing characterisation and Sam's previous behaviour towards him to the side because "Sam deserves to be happy". I could write an entire blog on this issue, but that would be very inflamatory and I'm not exactly willing to do that right now.

Whilst you might not see Creddie as 'endgame', there are people that do, and you should probably focus in the future on posts or blogs that show your shipping preferences without having to tear down the community of the smallest of the three major ships that are on this site. As a Cam fan, I'm sure you can understand how much it can hurt to have your ship declared 'impossible' or 'not endgame' and people who ship it attacked and made fun of.

Thank you. Sockstar1 15:19, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Well, as I mentioned in my blog, the decision is Freddie's to make, not Carly's or Sam's. I highly doubt he'd make an irrational choice, and disregard the feelings of his twi best friends. While I'd much rather watch the iCarly trio friendship, the writing suggests that a ship will be chosen. Regardless of personal opinion, a heavy lean was made in favor of Seddie in iOMG. Carly and Freddie's feelings aren't overlooked, we can't assess them until iOMG part 2. So while speculation runs rampant, the only fact we have is that Sam is in love with Freddie.

Yes, it hurts to hear my ship isn't endgame, but it truly is the minority. Due to parental views on the matter, homosexuality can't be depicted on a children's tv show. Meanwhile, Creddie and Seddie are considered the main, rivaling ships. I understand that, and I'm not on a mission to get people to ship Cam, or see the likelihood of it happening, I just have fun shipping it. iCarly's fun for me to watch and to speculate on. And while your comments in regards to Creddie hold truth, I can't control that. I can't stop people from expressing their opinions, nor will I fight the majority. If there are more Seddie fans than Creddie, well, that's how the deck is stacked. Honestly, I have no problems with the numbers, because I'm happy with the show being funny, and finding ship moments is pretty cool. I'll concede at any time that Cam is unlikely, because I know it is.

Anyways, my point is, I'm not out to get something, or prove a thing. I'm just here to speculate and have fun.

MellamoSammo! 15:40, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Btw, Mak23686 is a Cam shipper, not Seddie. SeddieBerserker's the only Seddie Beaur. MellamoSammo! 15:57, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

I understand that, I never said Mak was a Seddie, I just said that they are the two dominant admins (SeddieBerserker was the Seddie admin and Mak was the one with the strong connection to him). Sockstar1 16:08, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

The reason Mak and I have a strong connection is because we run the site. We're above the administrators, and we communicate quite a bit. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  20:04, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yes. I know. That's my point. You and him have a strong connection, whilst the Creddie admin's connection is more passive and weaker. Sockstar1 05:00, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

RE: the thanks on my talk page
aw, I really liked your comment, you're very welcome! I really don't like to be mean, but I tend to be very argumentative, when it comes to my ship. I don't really believe in the whole you stay on my side and I'll stay on mine thing, so I don't follow it haha. I know I've been exceptionally rude to you in the past, and I'm sorry for that, you just seem to be one of the older and one of the aggressive creddiers so I always find it easier to argue with you than the others haha. Once again, I'm sorry for that, and thank you for the comment on my page (:

-itzxlucy

Thank you. I am trying to be less aggressive, especially on this site because I know there are more people than usual and we don't want things to get out of hand. I am trying to be a better user and will be hoping to avoid anything that may look or seem 'anti-' Sam or Seddie in the future :) Sockstar1 17:05, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Jathan
I'm going to talk to Mak tomorrow, and we'll make a decision. The thing is, you're both technically right, so it's tricky. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  06:49, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

(Well, I read some of your fics, and I read a scary line in Movies Night that just sounded over the top and incredibly OOC for Freddie to say. [Something about getting with Sam, then throwing her away]. I stand by my comment, bc it offended me when I read it.

Whilst saying this, I believe you're back, and not here to bash, so I'll extend my olive branch. *Offers hand.)

MellamoSammo! 14:59, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, ok. Well, I never saw that movie... I'm sorry.

15:55, May 20, 2011 (UTC)MellamoSammo!

No problems, I'm glad I cleared it up for you :) Sockstar1 15:57, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

Regarding Creddie & Niranda wiki
Hi,

This is just a note that a wiki for Creddie & Niranda is now under development since the last one was inactive. Here's a link if you would like to check it out.

It is currently under construction, so if you would like to help us out or contribute in any way, your efforts would be appreciated. We are currently putting together a board of admins, so please speak to the wiki creator Creddie 4 real-remember, we can only have a limited number of admins, and you must ship Creddie and/or Niranda and be fair and experienced with the wiki to be eligible.

Thanks in advance! We appreciate any help with getting the wiki organized :)

CreddieLuv4eva~Feel free to leave note on my talk page! :) 22:14, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

My blog on IGNORING the creep
My blog on ignoring the creep is HERE.

Thanks in advance for letting me use your evidence to show others he shouldn't be on this wiki, or at least have everyone (but Eric, and maybe Mak) ignore any comments he makes on any page. Thanks to you, 3 admins: Me, Lotstar, and TenCents have come out against him, vs. Eric and Mak on the other side. Maybe once, Eric will do the right thing to punish a "friend" of his who would do such a terrible thing to members of the wiki that Eric is the head man. Katydidit 01:11, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

You've got 3 out of the 5 admins to agree he was ship-warring. I suggest you immediately put a 3 month IP ban on him and his account. Slick is known for circumventing bans he doesn't agree with (he's got at least two banned accounts on the Seddie forum) so you will need to be vigilant and ensure that it's a full IP ban and to make sure he doesn't come back with a second account. That's what the rules are there for. Sockstar1 07:56, June 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure the 3 votes we got were specifically for ship-warring. At the least, it would be for abuse, insults, rude behavior, profanity, and possible harassment of members. Ship-warring charges *might* be made, but let's see what Eric decides first before we go that far. He might just dismiss the whole thing and let Slick walk scot-free. If so, what will you do then? Katydidit 08:51, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you believe he is ship-warring, then you need to make that 3 out of 5 votes a formal vote. Not just scattered across the reams of text that has become from this issue. At that point the rules of the wiki can be followed. If you, Lotstar and Tencents agree whilst Mak and Eric do not, it is not up to them, and he can be punished with the standard 3 month ban. As for what happens if he lets him walk away, I have left a message on your talk page about what is happening there. Sockstar1 08:55, June 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Where did you see this pic from Slick: http://i55.tinypic.com/2i0akwk.png
 * Is it from Facebook, or somewhere else, because I don't see it on this wiki.
 * There's only a trace of truth behind his accusations, such as no physical contact with two I chatted with on this wiki, nor any other improper behavior. Almost the same as what Slick is claiming about himself--except he actually hurt people, I didn't, unless chatting is now an offense in this wiki. Thanks! Katydidit 09:51, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * http://icarly.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Slicknickshady/Katydidit_is_on_a_rampage._You_should_know_some_stuff_about_him
 * it is from this wikia. He created the blog. Sockstar1 09:55, June 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * I see the title line, but the blog itself with the accusatory text has disappeared from what I saw how it read before. Do you also see it disappeared now? Katydidit 09:58, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * It has been deleted. I have fixed the link so you can go to the page and see the deletion log, but I have taken a screenshot of what he wrote: http://i55.tinypic.com/2i0akwk.png Sockstar1 10:00, June 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nevermind. Eric had the good sense and decency to delete it, reasoning in parentheses: "(Way over the line)." Katydidit 10:01, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Please stop stirring the pot
You got what you wanted, Slick is banned. All I ask is you leave me out of your theories about Admins. I want to be a user. Kthanks.

MellamoSammo! 17:41, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

I was unaware when I made that first post that you had or were going to decline the position. I have since updated my position on the issue. You may want to read it. Thank you for your concern though. Sockstar1 17:41, June 16, 2011 (UTC)