Talk:Seddie/@comment-24015721-20131113174400/@comment-14284535-20131115042313

You can always read good Seddie fic. I read everything on fanfiction.net of all ships that are not illegal (so I don't read Creddie stories with Sam and Spencer hooked up) and don't violate the characters (the next time I read a Seddie fic where Carly either cheats on Freddie or steals Sam's BF, I am going to scream; ditto for Creddiers who say that Sam was maliciously breaking up Carly and Freddie in "iSaved Your Life"). On the other hand, you could becoming more like me and have a very jaded eye towards shipping. I don't necessarily recommend it, though.

You can take succor from the following analysis I put on http://samandcat.wikia.com/wiki/UnnamedSamAndCatSpecial?&cb=3871 - we can piece together the plot with some certitude. But the important features for Seddiers are the following. (You can also understand why I argue that the plot flat out does not work if Seddie isn't at least an option.)

1. Assuming that Freddie is not a two-timer (not so clear given his antics in "iGoodbye"), the plot as is doesn't really work with Cat going after Freddie if he is attached to if he is attached to anyone else. Otherwise, he should reject Cat out of hand. So Sam would have no reason to get jealous of Cat. (Yes, I can work around this, but it gets convoluted fast.)

2. In the clip provided, Sam is clearly upset at Freddie over something and is using his Mom as a threat. Evidently, Freddie is clueless about why she is mad.

I infer that her feelings towards him are conflicted or strained since "iGoodbye." If I had to guess, she was going to say "yes" to getting back together with him, but found out about the Creddie kiss - and he doesn't know that she knows. Everything I come up with that is not somehow tied to her still holding a candle to him just flat out doesn't work.

3. Recall that the trigger for the story is Sam gets chummy with Jade and Cat retaliates somehow. For the story to make sense, Cat should retaliate by hitting Sam where it hurts the most. Sam tit-for-tat response to that is to go after Robbie. Hence, there is something about Sam's feelings for Freddie that do not apply to Cat's feelings for Jade but do apply to Cat's feelings for Robbie.

We know that Ariana Grande believes in Cabbie; thus we can infer that Sam retaliating with Robbie based on Cat's romantic feelings for him, whence we might conclude that romantic feelings are what Sam feels for Freddie. This would be the difference in Cat's feelings for Robbie vis-a-vis Jade.

4. If Freddie is flat out permanently unavailable for Sam by the end of the episode, I can easily see angry Seddiers abandoning Sam & Cat in droves. That can't be good for its long-term survival, right?

Me being a former research mathematician shows, doesn't it? Everything is defintion-theorem-proof.