User talk:Mak23686

Welcome
Hi, welcome to iCarly Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Cam page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- DanTD (Talk) 19:49, February 7, 2010

Three q's for you. 1.Do you support Tibby (Tasha + Gibby)2.Are you a Victorious Rat or Tandre shipper? 3.This not really a question,but yes I do support Cam friendship!!!

Pic From iTunes
Mak, check out this pic from iTunes.



Cool!

Mak, just to let ya know, I'm a girl.Roxas is my favorite videogame character.Roxas82 03:12, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sharly ( Shelby/ Carly ) page?
I was thinking of making a new page for that coupling, but idk if it's a waste of time as it wouldn't be so long, likely the same length as the Felanie page. Your thoughts? btw are you ok with the galleries on the Cam page? I thought it would make the page more organized.Roxas82 20:33, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

re:Sharly/ Felanie
Agreed. I'd love to see the look on Freddie's face. I really wish she would come back, but I think Dan's shifting towards Creddie. I believe he ships Creddie, and Seddie was a result of executive meddling. As for Cam, he knows exactly what he's doing, so their scenes are definitely intentional, I just think he's afraid to go further with it, for fear of losing the target demographic. A while back, it was rumored that Shelby would be a recurring character, but I don't see that, as Victoria has her own show now. The same with Melanie, I don't see her returning. Roxas82 21:20, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

True, but Dan did it all the time with Drake and Josh, and played it off as humor. Parents already don't like the talk of 'boobs' and 'panties' and he's talked with some personally about it when he had a Live Journal. The man could plea anyone out of jail, he scripts Cam scenes, then says it's a matter of interpretation. To avoid uproar, he'll have an odd scene be girl/girl or guy/guy ( ex: the Naked day talk with Freddie and Spencer in iTwins ) and encourage it as normal banter or humor. Dan could pull off Cam, if he does it in the last season of the last episode. I just can't see Creddie as plausible, he already wrote that out for me, and Seddie seems rushed with no chemistry. I can't see a girl pushing a guy out of a treehouse after breaking a tennis raquet over his head, then falling in love with him ( after their kiss ). At least she'd be less violent towards him, but no. She plays the slap game with him in iQuit iCarly. How does everyone not see this? Roxas82 21:37, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ah for the love of money is the root of all evil. For Season 3, I don't see Melanie returning, Season 4 is an option. Last year, Jennette worked on a CD I believe, and sustained an injury around June, which led some to believe she may not appear in iWon't Cancel the Show. This would make it hard to do more screentime as another character. Some even said she was let go for undisclosed reasons. However, if Carly visits Sam's house, as Dan suggested she would, there's a possibility for Melanie to visit. He should at least resolve that conflict. Dan starts ALOT of shipping wars, which could possibly lose him more fans if he doesn't give them what they want, and signs point to Creddie being what the majority wants. Overall, he may tease it, then just have everyone be friends. Roxas82 21:57, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, my former history teacher uses the term "selective amnesia". I think he got it from "Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus". Roxas82 01:51, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Dan's up to something...
Wonder what that kiss with Danielle and Nora was all about, because it gives a glimmer of hope for Cam, even if it was done for humor, and the girl who initiated it was a psycho. Maybe he's testing tha waters? What do you think?Roxas82 19:00, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Cam Relationship page
Wow, that's awesome Mak! It's an honor working with you and others on the page, and recognition is just icing on the cake! Roxas82 18:37, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Probably because they know if things were different, Sam and Carly would be together.Roxas82 19:56, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Fans' reactions to the kiss
Here's a link to a forum for iCarly and Carly/Sam. Maybe this can kinda gauge reactions of Cam fans about the kiss, and even regular fans:

http://community.livejournal.com/nick_girlslash/77971.html

Roxas82 17:50, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Nevel could also be considered a part of that. He acts & sounds somewhat feminine, and is known for notorious lines, like "I send guys alot of places..."Roxas82 18:21, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Cute Cam banter
http://danwarp.blogspot.com/2010/06/ibeat-heat-survival-of-hottest-coming.html

Some Cam banter was initiated on Dan's Blog... as soon as I saw it, I thought "hooray for Cam finally getting some comments!" Hopefully Dan actually reads this stuff, because some viewers are really intelligent...well maybe all except that last commenter.

" I still don't think Sam would ever have a BOYfriend. She never lasts with any of them, and the subtext between her and Carly is pretty thick, so y'know...

CatJadeOTP ·


 * Hug* You're awesome. But yeah, I could never imagine Sam having a boyfriend. Have you noticed that hers don't last more than an episode? And that the only character Carly dated for longer than 30 minutes (heh.) was Griffin? Who is aweful like Sam? :D Darn the show being on a kid's network. XD

YanH ·

Heh... I'm always a bit reluctant to speak up in favour of Cam. Seddie fans tend to be rather vocal, especially when you say something to endanger their ship. Posts like yours make it worth it, though *hug*

Also, another Cade shipper? High five!

animallover · Is cam sam and carly? and cade cat and jade? If thats it why would u even think like that??? Its a kid show and thats gross " Roxas82 00:32, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think I'd mind it staying the same, or the 'status quo' on iCarly, so long as a relationship isn't pushed. Seddie/Creddie will be in the mix ( most likely ), but if he goes for either ship, and can't address the flaw in it, that'd bother me a bit, because that'd seem rushed or a way of appeasing a certain group of fans. Dan always seemed to insert Cam subtext, and that seems to be a win for Cam shippers anyday, including me. Either way, I just liked Cam being out there, not just on Cam forums or on this wiki.Roxas82 05:36, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Re: cleanup
Nice job cleaning up the Creddie and Seddie pages!!! Long time no see!Roxas82 23:47, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Hey
Wow, that must've been alot of work, but you did AWESOME! It looks great on here! Also, I liked the first two eps., Jane Lynch was pretty funny as Sam's mom, and I found iGot a Hot Room to be really sweet. Hopefully Cam gets some more friendship airtime, and it wouldn't hurt to see more of Sam's mom ( and Sam's room!!! ). I'm looking forward to iGet Pranky too! Roxas82 23:06, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well, New York is known for being super fast, having fast service in restaurants, as well as commuting. People get tempers when they miss their bus or plane or when they have to wait more than ten minutes. I think somewhere it was mentioned that Sam's mom would be recurring, but I doubt that, as she's a main character for Glee. As for iGet Pranky, I did catch that!!!! I declare the shipping war to be over because of that.... For some reason, I liked Carly's little spaz attack, it was super cheesy, but I found it funny. After iPsycho, and the many "sexy" references Sam has made, I felt iCarly maturing. Still, hard to see Cam happening, but I still hope for it. It IS possible, however, that Dan is being trusted to carry Nick programming so the ball may be in his court. Say that's true, then he can make a Cam ending for iCarly if he wanted... For now, I just see a random comment Sam making to end up happening... Sam has called Carly hot before. Roxas82 00:39, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Re: I get Pranky
I did see the scene where Carly was talking about that, and I think I mentioned it in a nitpick section. Glad I wasn't the only one who caught that! And about the ship war, I wasn't necessarily speaking of the fandom more than myself. In my mind, the moment was similar to iThink They Kissed when Spencer interrupted a moment wearing the "Danwarp Tweets" tee, it takes people away from the Creddie/Seddie going on. It was a funny line, and I'm almost postive Spam won't play out, but it is a distraction from the craziness,if only just for a bit. I hardly felt this episode was Seddie/ Creddie, but I can't help but notice the wardrobe for characters ( mainly Sam and Freddie ) being limited to red and blue. Makes me wonder if Dan is catering to fans in that aspect.Roxas82 17:42, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Summary for iGet Pranky
So, do you like it, did it hit all the major points? Roxas82 20:46, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Thank You



Possible Cam fic
I was thinking of writing a Cam fic with the Carly/Shelby/Sam love triangle sometime during this week and next week. If I do, would you care to read it at all and give some criticism and constructive comments?

Roxas82 00:12, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll try to keep it PG, bc I don't really write M fanfics, I think developing Cam in a fic should be more thought out then writing in the physical aspect of their relationship so much. I might touch upon some things that have happened in the real show that were either funny, or questionable. Hope to check in with something soon! Roxas82 22:20, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Mak!
Hey, first off I want to thank you for critiquing my writing, I greatly appreciate that. In midst of all of my iStart a Fanwar theories, I had a small one that involved a ship actually happening in that episode. For me, at this point, I think Dan's leaning towards Seddie, which for it to work completely, Sam would have to like Freddie. One zany idea I had was that he could end iSAFW with Seddie, but show Sam not entirely happy with it. Then he could end the show with Cam, and hopefully avoid a fan riot. Ah, I wish. But wouldn't that be so cool if it were possible? Roxas82 02:14, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Newest iStart a Fanwar promo
Have you seen it yet? Roxas82 15:30, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

That is EPIC!!! What if Sam burned it down by accident with her flare gun?!?

I just saw "Awkward with Max", on Jennette's Youtube. From the sound of it, they discussed filming an awkward scene in iSAFW, which Max clarifies as good for the viewers. I'm guessing it could've been a kiss scene with her? That'd be a twist ending.

Anyways, I'm still holding onto the small hope that one of those psychotic fans ships Cam! And notice how Carly's in the middle of Sam and Freddie? I believe Dan does this on purpose.... in iThink They Kissed, he had Freddie in between Carly and Sam, as setup from the last scene where she was upset about the kiss.

Roxas82 16:31, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Pretty much; I think it'd be awesome, as that'd accurately represent the fanbase! With as many comments that Dan gets on his blogs, he can't miss the 5 percent of it that mentions Cam, then the following bashing by fans who insist it will never happen. If it's mentioned, I think they may insert it as humor, like a weird fan bringing it up, followed by awkward looks between Carly/Sam, while Freddie dons the shifty eyes.

I'm pretty excited that Stacy's back! She was great on Zoey101, and I'm waiting to see what role she has in this big mess...

Sam starting the riot is vintage. Hope it ends like the debate in iBelieve in Bigfoot.

Roxas82 16:59, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Stacey Dillson was a nerdy character on Zoey101 who had a noticable lisp, and an obsession with q-tips. A running gag in the show was her creations made out of cotton swabs were always destroyed ( for example a house made out of q-tips ).

In the promo video, she's holding Freddie's jacket, and says "Details, please..."

Roxas82 17:29, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Congrats!
Congrats on becoming a Bureaucrat! Roxas82 23:08, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Mak, I didn't see until now you were promoted to Bureaucrat after Lotstar was made Administrator! I hope you have the time for your increased duties. Enjoy! Katydidit 13:20, December 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I´ll try (as I always have; seems I have been successful up to now). Mak23686 13:29, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Might be a little inactive...
Hi, I'm going overseas tomorrow, so I might not be on the wiki very much. I'll try my best to be on as much as I can, but I thought I better warn you. Lotstar 04:24, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Clean-Up the Wiki
I'm not exactly sure if we can do this, but I was thinking we should have a Wiki Clean-Up Day. It could even be Wiki Clean-Up Week. The whole event is about every user on here, instead of vandalising or simply commenting on pages/blog posts, to look through the whole wiki to see what's needed and what's not. There are some pages on here that don't even go with iCarly or are a very minor thing about iCarly. It's just wasting space and we should delete it. Problem is, nobody thinks it's their responsibility to report/edit pages. I try my best to fix the pages, even punctuation/spelling problems. After a while, people forget that the page is there, so there still that worthless page hanging around here.

A lot of pages on here are needed. The shipping pages aren't really needed, but everyone enjoys them, so we all keep them. Those pages are the worst though (mostly Seddie and Creddie pages). Not just ship-warring. Some episodes have the same hints posted about 6 times. If you look at the iKiss section on the Seddie page, it has the same hint posted over and over and over. I keep trying to delete it, but it keeps coming back!

There are also the unreasonable pictures posted a billion times. Go on the Creddie page and you see the kiss posted 10 million times, and there right around each other!

I'm sure you know what I mean since you've been here longer than me. I hope you know what I'm trying to say when I'm talking about cleaning all these pages and stuff. SunriseDaisy 02:19, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

I understand. I was just thinking that we should really make this wiki look better if we want new members coming but, honestly, we have a lot of members. I just want the members that are still here to stay here-and not leave, since other members already have. :( SunriseDaisy 19:23, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

that comment on the Cam page
aren't you going to block CreddieRULZ for that comment on the Cam Relationship page? because he/she was ship warring and forcing people to believe in the bible. Kittygirl7878 02:13, January 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Since she's brought it up, I think it's time we consider the flaming on Cam Relationship to be Ship Warring. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  03:53, January 20, 2011 (UTC
 * I´m gonna let it slide this one time because the following discussion shows that the people here (and not only Cam shippers) don´t accept any excuse that´s used to cover up homophobia and make it seem righteous. Doesn´t mean I won´t do anything if something like this happens again, though, because I certainly will. Mak23686 17:36, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

iCarly Blogs
Do you think I could help you with uploading Freddie and Spencer's blogs? I know it's hard for you so I could start copying and asting the blogs on here. (By the time you read this I'll probably have a few blogs uploaded already-unless you're online write now.) SunriseSeddieFabinaDaisy! (talk to me!) :) 20:59, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

YES!!! I finished posting every single one of Freddie's blogs. Now on to Spencer's... SunriseSeddieFabinaDaisy! (talk to me!) :) 18:08, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I'll try doing my best. SunriseSeddieFabinaDaisy! (talk to me!) :) 18:23, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I'm trying to upload the Girffin pictures but they won't upload because it's a .bmp file. I'll try to get it to work. SunriseSeddieFabinaDaisy! (talk to me!) :) 18:40, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I got it. I went to paint and turned them all into .png files. I'll put them up now. SunriseSeddieFabinaDaisy! (talk to me!) :) 18:47, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I uploaded the lips pictures. Is that how you wanted it? SunriseSeddieFabinaDaisy! (talk to me!) :) 19:12, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I'll try uploading all of them by Wednesday. (It's already past 9 here and it's a school night.) SunriseSeddieFabinaDaisy! (talk to me!) :) 01:06, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry it took such a long time to upload all the blogs. I forgot about them. :P Anyway, I got all blogs uploaded except for two because it says it was moved or deleted and it just gave me the pic of the old lady biting a brick. Other than that I got all the blogs. But I think it was this blog that needs to be renamed to Spencer's Blog: Blogging is KEWL! #2. I have to look to see if it's that one. Thanks! SunriseSeddieFabinaDaisy! (talk to me!) :) 19:34, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

No, sorry it was this blog that needs to be changed to Spencer's Blog: TOTALLY KEWL BLOG #2. SunriseSeddieFabinaDaisy! (talk to me!) :) 19:36, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Is The Cam Ship More Popular Than Creddie
Okay, well, I understand why you deleted it. I admit it was too mean and too harsh on the Creddiers, but I worked an hour to write that blog and do ALL of that research and I think it was unfair for you to delete it without any warning. If you had asked I would have edited out all of the Creddie bashing. I didn't even get a chance to save it to my computer. Is there any way you could restore all of my hard work so that I could save it and have for myself? I was proud of the blog that I wrote and that so many people reponded (and were responding) to it. If it's okay with you, I'd like to edit out all of the unecessary Creddie bashing and re-post it because a lot of people were interested in what I thought about the issue. I was angry/upset when I saw that it was all gone.

Thank you!!! :D Again, sorry for being so mean. I just had a lot I wanted to get out there and I ended up posting it before I really thought about how it would hurt people.

Episodes on Menu
Mak, is there any way we can get more than 6 episodes under the 'Episodes menu bar along with the Episode Guide link? I hate it that everytime a new episode comes along it is added but a good old one has to be deleted. Who set the total at 7 maximum anyway, and can you find a way to get more than 7 total under each Menu item? Why does iThink They Kissed qualify and not iTake on Dingo or iMake Sam Girlier. Why does iSaved Your Life qualify but not iHave a Lovesick Teacher or iTwins? iGot a Hot Room has the 3rd most watched episode, so why does that not get a spot? Thanks. Just askin' on how you pick 'em and what is most important in picking an episode. Katydidit 22:54, March 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * The limit of seven is set by the new wiki skin (sarcastic yay), so there's no way we can change that. I put iTTK in there because iKiss and iSYL are there, iTTK is kinda the third major shipping episode. Didn't really know how else I should choose another episode. Mak23686 04:33, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

You said to leave a message so hi hows you ? is that ok??????????????????


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Joining the Wiki
Hello. I'm interested in contributing to the iCarly wiki, but my user page says I have to create an account to do so. I am already a registered Wikia contributor and am active on the Avatar Wiki. Do I have to register twice? I would appreciate it if you could clarify this for me. Thank you. Bassmasta2012 02:35, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

delete this page!
hey Mak can u delete this page, i don't know how to. http://icarly.wikia.com/wiki/File:Emily_Ratajkowski.jpg

Only admins can delete stuff; and please sign your messages (~)

Chart
Hey Mak, I was wondering, do you know those chart things where you have a title and you can insert a pic with it, and you say your likes and dislikes or what ever you want and such? Like the charts they have for the cast and characters. How do you add one to your profile? I really want one, but I'm not quite sure how to add one. :)

(Jennetteswagg 22:33, March 30, 2011 (UTC))

Have we made any progress?
My sisters (Serene Girl and Lady Magique) and I wanted to ask for your opinion on, basically, whether this Wiki has made any progress toward revitalizing the Creddie population and maintaining peace between them and the Seddiers. We're coming to you because you're the highest-ranking of the three administrators who responded to my "Seddie Domination : The Self-Perpetuating Cycle" blog earlier this month.

For a while, it seemed to us that things were going really well : New Creddiers were joining. The Seddiers not only "eased up" on the anti-Creddie comments on their page, but seemed to cease attacking the Creddie relationship altogether. When the news of iOMG broke, both the Creddiers and Seddiers were extraordinarily gracious to each other. It all looked very good. In the past few days, however, my sisters and I have decided that this silver cloud has a bit of a dark lining.

A while back, Lotstar posted a comment on the Creddie page suggesting that a Seddie relationship in Season 5 could lead to a breakup, after which Carly and Freddie might become a couple. Lotstar was apparently hoping that this would make shippers of both sides happy (since they would both get to see their favored ships happen). That idea was ripped apart, rather harshly, in my opinion. Lotstar actually apologized later. I thought that was a pretty generous gesture, since Lotstar had not (in my view) done anything to apologize for. Not that anybody seemed to care.

Later, my sister, Lindsay (Lady Magique) posted a comment telling the Creddiers not to give up hope if Sam and Freddie become a couple in iOMG, because there was always a chance that they'd break up in Season 5, opening the door to a Creddie relationship. She was not, in any way, trying to hurt the Seddiers. Lindsay isn't even a Creddie supporter. She doesn't even really want Carly and Freddie to become a couple. Her only wish was to persuade the Creddiers, in any way possible, not to give up hope.

A couple of people posted responses disagreeing with her, which was perfectly fine, since they were being civil. A day or two later, however, two people posted messages on another page, condemning the people who were suggesting that Seddie could break up so Creddie could happen. To be fair, these two people did not name any names, did not call out anyone specifically, but it seems clear who they were talking about. My sister was quite upset by this. She had only been trying to help, and I presume Lotstar was as well, and they were accused of "hating on Seddie" and trying to tear the Seddiers down.

Lindsay was actually planning to post an apology, hoping to soothe over hurt feelings. I talked her out of it. In fact, I practically pleaded with her not to let those people bully her into acting like she had been the one at fault, when she had done nothing wrong. In the end, she reluctantly agreed.

More importantly, I have noticed that we seem to have reached the point where the only acceptable predictions for iOMG's plotline are for Seddie to happen in some form. Anybody who disagrees that it has to happen, or suggests any other scenario (such as a Creddie possibility), is immediately vilified for "hating on Seddie," trying to cause trouble, or attempting to tear the Seddiers down. My other sister, Katie (Serene Girl) finally got fed up with this and posted a comment, expressing her views, on this blog last night :

http://icarly.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Creddie_4_real/iOMG:_Creddie_vs._Seddie_DEBATE

Today, Lindsay posted a comment stating that there was just a possibility of a Carly/Freddie moment in addition to the Sam/Freddie storyline in iOMG, only to have somebody rush in and say that there would be NO Creddie at all in iOMG. Some people seem to be really hostile to even the idea that there could be any Creddie at all in this episode (although many Seddiers have actually said that they would like to see it happen, since they feel it would be only fair to the Creddiers).

So, in short, we do seem to have established peaceful co-existence between the Creddiers and Seddiers ... by essentially crushing any and all dissenting opinion. Lindsay has actually been feeling nervous about posting anything at all lately, for fear that she'll be accused of something.

To be fair, it is nowhere near all of the Wiki's members who are behaving this way. It's really only a relative few - a small group of new Creddie shippers who seem to have basically taken over the Creddie page, along with a few longer-time Seddiers. Regardless, my sisters and I have had enough. I think we're now able to empathize with all of those Creddiers who abandoned this Wiki in the past, perhaps because they grew tired of the rampant Creddie-bashing that was going on.

This is worse, in our opinion. Pro-Creddie commentary is being summarily crushed under a pretense of maintaining peaceful co-existence between the two communities. Perhaps we are the only ones here who feel this way. If so, then there's no reason to change anything here. The only logical solution is for us to leave. So be it.

But before we do, we would like to know what you think about all of this.

- Phenglei Kai (with the approval of Serene Girl and Lady Magique)

Phenglei Kai 02:19, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

I'm a basher?
http://icarly.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:SeddieBerserker/Misconceptions_about_the_Seddie_ship_and_its_fans

Hello Mak,

For a couple of months I get along with the members of this wikia pretty well, but suddenly people accuse from bashing, which is absolutely NOT my intense. I even got replies to GET OFF this wikia, which I'm certainly NOT gonna do, but if you agree if I have been bashing, can you give me a few examples, so these can be deleted/edited. I'm really getting tired of this suddenly personaly bashing really.

wkr, Cameddie.

Hey Mak, Creddie again

I'm here to report a personal attack at myself. It's about a comment from RosalieTheBrave on this page http://icarly.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_blog:Churchpants/Nick_Being_Unfair_to_Jennette%3F&&cb=2313. She noted that 1)I'm a Seddie hater, 2) I'm a Jennette hater 3) That she doesn't respect me. I'm not intolerant, but I DON'T tolerate personal attacks. I'm not going to demand anything, but I think apologies or sanctions would be appropriate.

wkr, Cameddie

Creddie1.0
The user Creddie 1.0 has left some very rude posts on the Seddie page.


 * Already taken care of; please sign your messages (~) Mak23686 17:47, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Mak! , Creddie1.0 has hacked me :@ He posted a link on the Seddie page saying this is a link to a sneak peek of iOMG, so I clicked it, then a pic of a skeleton appeared saying i was hacked. Creddie1.0 copied my IP address & email! Please can u fix this? :/


 * Sorry, I can't do anything about this (except for removing the link if I find it). Mak23686 18:46, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

I tried to report the link to u, but I count find it I think he deleted it But please Mac, can u unblock me? I did not do anything, Creddie1.0 is the one who bashed & then took my IP address


 * If you were blocked, you couldn't even give me a message any more. Mak23686 19:07, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

NeneG
This is one Creddier who needs to go: NeneG. He/she is rude and VERY inconsiderate, upseting both Creddie and Seddie shippers with the rude comments. This user is the very definition of ship warring and bashing. Something needs to be done.

Slight Problem. Mr. Admin, Sir
There's this big jerk going around being rude to Seddie and Creddiers (although she's supposedly a Creddie shipper) and something needs to be done about it. I'm getting sick of seeing the obnoxious comments everywhere. It's annoying.

That would be NeneG in case you didn't know.

The User NeneG
This user, @NeneG,is upseting and putting down a lot of Seddiers and Creddiers. Everyone is tired of it. Please do something. Thanks

Potential New Policy?
I read NeneG's blog and saw that other people have been leaving messages about it on your talk page. I think that to avoid any ship wars, especially with the upcoming iOMG, we should implement a new policy. Here's my idea. I think that if anyone posts a ship war comment on a page, the users should not reply to it. This would keep them from arguing back and forth and potentially escalating the fight. Also, if the comment or blog is really bad, they should just report it to an administrator and leave the comment itself alone.

What do you think? Obviously you don't have to use this if you don't want to, but I think it might be a good idea to keep the bickering on the wiki under control. Thanks for listening/reading this.

Bolivianbacon 03:35, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Weird
The block was made by Nifky. If you believe this is in error, please contact Wikia.
 * Reason given: This username or IP address is prevented from editing across the entire Wikia network due to vandalism or other disruption.
 * Start of block: 13:23, January 26, 2011
 * Expiry of block: 13:23, July 26, 2011
 * Intended blockee: 66.249.67.121
 * Block ID: #14874
 * Current IP address: 66.249.67.121

First of all, I dont think that this is my ip address at all! and second, that thingy only appeared in one blog... and when I logged in, it didnt say I was blocked anywhere.

Kate Ray91899 04:45, April 1, 2011 (UTC)Kate Ray91899

Creddie 4.0
Um Creddie 4.0 is trying to start a ship war and junk. He/she says He/she is unstoppable. Can you please do something about it. It's hurting alot of our feeling and stuff. We haven't done anything to him/her. xoxoPurple2 16:14, April 1, 2011 (UTC)Purple2

Blocking Creddie5.0
Can you PLEASE block Creddie5.0!! He/she is Creddie4.0 the one that made that blog that said Creddie is gonna happen and he/she is causing a riot on the Seddie page so can you please block them? KatyKat20 22:35, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Creddie 1.0 and counting
Hey! Apparently there is this person you're probably aware of. They go by the name Creddie and then a number .O. It started off with Creddie 1.0, but now they have made several more accounts. It's on the point where they are now Creddie 5.0, and I see a Creddie 6.0 coming in the very near future.

This person continues to spam pages, offend people, and cause ship warring. Apparently this person is said to be controlled by @NeneG. NeneG has also exhibited the same behavior; ship warring, offending others.....etc. Of course, I can not prove it's @Nene G doing these things, but I do believe they are some how connected.

I'm asking if you could take some action on the case. I understand that you or other admins have dealt with this person before, by blocking them and banning them. The problem is, this person will never rest, and continues to make accounts. I'm just wondering what we could do about it. I understand if your busy, but I hope you can find more time to look into this. I'm sorry if I'm bothering you or anything. Thank you. MaryanHPotterFan98 23:55, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Problem
There is a vandal named trololled or something ruining our pages! -Ire flowa222
 * I'm REALLY sorry! That was some guy I know. I linked him to my userpage, but he's not too fond of iCarly so he proceeded to vandalize the place. I'm really sorry again!--ようこそ地獄へ - "Yōkoso jigoku e." ("Enter the Hell of Darknesslover") 04:43, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Blocked forever Mak23686 06:33, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

unblock!
HEY MAK!

IM PRETTY SURE YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT ME

SORRY TO CAUSE HAVOC

REALLY SORRY!

IM USED TO CAPITLIZING KNOW

ANYWAYS CAN YOU UNBLOCK THOSE USERS : Creddie1.0, Creddie2.0 , Creddie3.0

Creddie4.0, Creddie5.0 ...OH AND THE VICTIM OF MY HACKING I THINK HE USER IS : TheSeddiestNub , Or

theseddiestnub!

I WILL BE GOOD, IF IAM NOT, YOU CAN BAN BE FOREVER!, I PROMISE! XD


 * Hmmm, gotta think HARD about this; offer: I'll unblock TheSeddiestNub and Creddie1.0 now, and if you are good, I'll unblock one more every week. Deal? Mak23686 11:35, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * DEAL!, THANKS MAK!
 * THIS WIKI WILL BE GRATEFUL TO HAVE YA!
 * THIS WIKI WILL BE GRATEFUL TO HAVE YA!

heyyyy!!!! do u think that the is the best website!!! like im brand knew i just made my profile like litarly 1 minute ago!!!! ha! ha!

Your opinion
Please look at this exchange between Sockstar1 and myself in the comments section of this blog. Did I overreact, or do I have a point? --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  01:36, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Someone is deleting info!
Hi Mak, there is someone named "something or somewhat" (I think thats what it is...) and he/she has deleted everything from many pages and replaced it with this story thing. Can you block this person and restore the info in any way??? Thanks!!

Lovin&#39;Seddie 02:22, April 3, 2011 (UTC)Lovin'Seddie

mean person
I feel that telling this through your talk page would be easier for you to know

anyway, there is a person who is vandalizing all the pages on this wiki. he's ITrollHard. he even messed up your page. I reverted that edit for you. you should block him, it's getting annoying Kittygirl7878 03:26, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Userboxes
I created a userbox and it worked out well but now I can't find it.ILike Waffles 19:25, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Re:re: Userbox
I called it Spoil and Spencer is on it. It said something like this user won't spoil an ep or so.

Found it
Mak I found it and it is on my profile by pages I am following. Can you put it on the userbox page for me?

Putting it up
How do you put the userbox up and thank you so much. But I don't think I can edit. Mann habe ich ein Problem.

Thank You
Thank you for your help yesterday. You are one of the only people that I ever *met* that are SOOOOOOO helpful.


 * Just doing my job; and please sign your messages (~), it makes responding much easier. Mak23686 17:36, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

New Troll!
So there's a new troll here. She/He is getting on everyone's nerves. He/She keeps saying that she isn't really a Seddie shipper and is really a Creddie/Sibby shipper. That troll keeps saying how Creddie/Sibby is better. It's really annoying. I'm not sure if you wanna block him/her or not, but at least give that user a warning. By the way, that user posted all those comments on the Seddie page. It's probably going to be hard to find the comments since the comments come so quickly on that page. Anyway, I hope you do something about this. Thanks! SunriseSeddieFabinaDaisy! (talk to me!) :) 22:34, April 4, 2011 (UTC) Oh, and I also think it's the same person who created this user.

Email
I sent you an email at [mailto:mak23686@web.de mak23686@web.de] I also emailed the other admins. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  00:16, April 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Did you get it? --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  03:41, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup, but I gotta go to work in a few minutes, so I don't have time to talk at the moment. Mak23686 03:47, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * We need to keep our eyes open especially with all the craziness because of iOMG going on right now; I hope this will calm down next week.

As for the triangle-page, a triangle-romance could be too complicated for young children to comprehend, its really not necessary. As for a Sam/Carly/Freddie friendship page, I said before that I don't really think a page like this makes sense since almost every main story line on the show could be put there. Mak23686 16:36, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Be friends
hey iam Seddie Shipper and maybe I can be your friend?

Seddie Shipper 14:10, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Help a Troll
I know this doesn't really have to do with you but on the Seddie Wiki there are 3 trolls that changed all of the pages. They put lyrics to songs or stupid videos and even swear words. That troll is the worst which is TrolliePolieOlie and second worst is Creddie.creddie.creddie.CREDDIEftw and the second user I just mentioned has another account called Creddie! Could you ban those users and their IP address?ILike Waffles 08:20, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Shawndizzle SPAMming
Shawndizzle has posted many links to a website with a swear word in the name on the Nathan Kress comments. An entire page is cluttered with the links and they are all the same/very similar. (UPDATE: More than 3 pages are cluttered with links.) This is SPAMming and using inappropriate/offensive language. S/he has also followed that page (the one with the swear word in the name) on his/her user page. Should the user be blocked/warned?

BTW, Just before the inappropriate links someone hinted the name of the page was changed to something inappropriate/irrelevant. This is possibly the work of Shawndizzle. Adam 11:56, April 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * From what I can see, all of the comments are leftover redirects, and I don't know how that happened. I wont be able to help much now, but Katydidit suggested contacting Wikia. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  12:20, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just did. Mak23686 12:22, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

PROGRESS!
Hey Mak!

long time no speak!

i just wanted to ask, how am i doing??

Am I makin Good progress??

am i behaving?

Am i good??

THANK YOU!


 * Yeah, you're doing quite good at the moment. Mak23686 12:44, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

GOOD TO KNOW!



I live in Canada!!!
Hey Mak!

You are sick awesome at geography. You know, the Nick Stream live thingy. But i live in Canada, so what time am i supposed to watch iOMG?

Seddie1196 13:29, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

A potentially problematic user?
Hey Mak, if you haven't noticed, there's a user who's shipwarring and seems to be creating drama with the Seddie/Creddiers... If you could, do you think you watch for these user's comments (it's Sockstar1, I believe) and try to keep the peace? I've personally read some comments they've written on my blogs, and they do provoke ship warring. Please, and thanks so much! Roxas82 21:08, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

From this blog:

It's empty, hollow 'romance' built around the idea that a girl beating the shit out of a guy with tennis racquets, throwing him out of tree houses, spanking him and continually abusing him is the basis for a healthy relationship.

This is ship warring. I don't want to deal with the guy, because we have crossed swords elsewhere. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  08:43, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

mean user...
hey, I think an user named SeddieKissiOMG is showing off in the Creddie page, just wanted you to know...

Mazznick 19:17, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

The recent Creddie/Seddie conflict
Hello. :)

A short while ago, I posted the following message on SeddieBerserker's talk page, and he instructed me to pass it on to you as well :

Title : Does it look like the Creddiers have calmed down now?

Hello. :)

This is not a complaint ... Well, not so much of a complaint, really, more of a question. I'm trying to get some perspective here.

A lot of people on the Seddie page seem really, really angry at the Creddiers. Earlier today, I saw several pages of comments saying a lot of really harsh things about how rude and immature they're being, how they're trying to take away the Seddiers' happiness, how they don't deserve any sympathy, and so forth. They even threw out some barbs at one of their own (a Seddier who, in my opinion, is actually one of the most mature people on this website, who has done a lot to help maintain goodwill between the shipping communities), accusing her of "sucking up" to the Creddiers. It was rather harsh, I felt.

(I didn't see any comments from the person in question. Perhaps she wasn't there, perhaps she never saw them. Or perhaps she was just too hurt, or even scared, to respond. I don't know.)

It was a little frightening, actually.

The thing is, it actually looks to me like the Creddiers have calmed down now. When I looked through the comments for the past day or so on the Creddie and iOMG pages, I didn't see anything particularly negative. For the most part, it just looked like the usual routine chatter. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough, or in the right places, but that's how it appears to me. Does it look that way to you?

Some Creddiers have been posing alternate theories about iOMG, speculating that Sam may not really be in love with Freddie, that sort of thing. I've seen some Seddiers take exception to this, saying that it's rude and selfish to try to take away the Seddiers' happiness. But, honestly, I don't see anything unusual about what the Creddiers are doing. It's just the typical speculation, including some far-fetched theorizing, that people on this Wiki have always done. I don't really think the Creddiers are trying to hurt the Seddiers, just keep their own hopes up.

It reminds me of the way that, in the days leading up to iOMG, some folks seemed to get really angry and offended whenever anybody suggested, or actually hoped, that Seddie might not happen in that episode.

Honestly, it looked to me like the Seddiers were just fueling each other's rage today. One Seddier complains about the Creddiers, another joins in and says "IKR," and they drive each other into a frenzy. The Creddiers aren't really doing anything. Maybe Creddie shippers elsewhere, not on this Wiki, are still going on about iOMG, but I don't see how that has anything to do with the people here.

That's just my take on it. If you and the other administrators feel that the Creddiers really are causing the trouble themselves, I will, of course, defer to your judgment. Like I said, I may just not be looking hard enough, or in the right places.

But if you also feel that the Creddiers have calmed down now, I was kind of hoping it would help heal the rift if somebody in a position of authority were to point out that fact to the Seddiers, and that maybe we should all stop firing verbal shots at each other now. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Lady Magique 05:35, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

After I sent that message to SeddieBerserker, he replied :

Title : Re: Creddie/Seddie 

I thought that "sucking up" comment was way over the line. I jumped in and said that most of the creddiers on this wiki are not causing any drama (the main troublemaker, Sockstar1 is blocked). I told everyone to stay on their respective pages if they didn't have anything nice to say.

You're right, this has gone on long enough. Tell User:Mak23686 the same exact thing you told me. We'll put a stop to it. -- SeddieBerserker (talk) 05:45, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

I very much hope so. Good luck.

Lady Magique 05:56, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Voting poll and featured articles
Hi! I'm from Big Time Rush Wiki. Are you the person who make the polls and change the featured articles on the home page of iCarly wiki? If yes, can you tell me how to do it? Because if my admin (from Big Time Rush Wiki) allowed me, I would like to do the same to the home page of Big Time Rush wiki.

Please reply ASAP. Thank You.Patty16 14:20, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Still about voting etc
After you make the polls and everything, how can you arrange the polls or featured articles? Do they arrange themselves automatically? or do you have to do it manually? And how do you make the featured articles appear on the home page?

For the suggestion blog... You posted that on your individual blog right? So how to make sure anybody gonna read it or suggest something? Because BTR wiki is kinda quiet lately.

BTW, are you an admin or are you just really active on this wiki?Patty16 14:44, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Alright then. Thank you for your help, I really appreciate it. It seems that when or if my admin allow me to edit BTR wiki home page I'm going to need a lot more of your help. Again thank you so much. Patty16 15:12, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism
Can you ban this dude?

http://icarly.wikia.com/wiki/User:Sp%C3%ADd%C3%A9r%27s_W%C3%A9b:_A_P%C3%ADg%27s_T%C3%A1l%C3%A9

Re: Cat/Girl
Ariana Grande's brother, Frankie Grande, I believe is openly gay, which also supports this notion of "Day of Silence". I doubt it'd be explained in depth, but they may mention Day of Silence" in referrence to Cat's silence. It'd be absolutely crazy if she kissed someone like Jade, and I'd fangirl out. Liz would be the most likely option for her, as they've worked together the most, and have the best chemistry on set.Roxas82 19:47, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Cat/Girl kiss
Well, if she kissed Sam, not only would it be AWESOME (!), iOMG takes on a completely new meaning...

Sam then could've kissed Freddie because Cat kissing her would've brought out feelings she's been harboring. And she might feel weird about kissing Carly. Cat wouldn't because she has "two uncles", and she lives in CA, attending a school with people who are admittedly not normal. Being gay wouldn't be as big an issue to Cat (or Jade) than probably to Sam. Plus, Sam's not good at being a romantic...

While Seddie probably has won, until iOMG Part II comes out and Sam outright says she loves Freddie, I'm still going to speculate. That's one reason I give Dan Schneider props.

No matter what, I'll still ship Cam, because it's awesome. I bet iCarly would have Cam if shows didn't have to be politically correct. Then again, there's practically no radar for iCarly, considering the innuendo...

And, a quick note: I wrote a new Cam fic, just a short one, called "High Maintenance", check it out if you want. Roxas82

Seddie page
IloveCreddie123 (I think that's the username) has deleted the entire contents of the Seddie page and posted a comment saying they hate Seddie and iOMG on the Seddie page. Can you please revert (I think that's what you call it) the edit and block/warn the user. Adam 16:01, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Emailing
I can't figure out how to email another user. How does one do that? Parstin32 18:40, April 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, no idea. Mak23686 18:50, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Special:EmailUser/User_name. That is, if they've saved an email adress in their preferences. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  21:11, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Request
CreddieShipper on twitter would like to talk to you about User:Sockstar1. She has had trouble logging in, but she feels his block was unfair. I will consider unblocking him, if he promises not to bring up the "Sam abuses Freddie" argument constantly, because it's unconstructive. Will you talk to her? --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  17:55, April 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * How do I talk to people on twitter? I'm new to this... Mak23686 18:00, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll send you a DM on twitter. Just click "Messages". --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  18:13, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ohh, sorry
Ohh, I am really sorry, I didn't know that. Are there any Camfics which aren't rated M, though? Alica123 21:22, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

what you said before
I just read your response to me on your talk page, and it was about what CreddieRULZ said about Cam. you told him/her and me that people can disagree with their superiors, but on the talk page, you told me that those kind of people don't accept any excuse for this kind of thing. why say both a negative and a positive? I'm confused Kittygirl7878 21:36, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Proposal Banning Policy
Hello Mak,

I caught air about the whole SeddieBerserker/Sockstar1 incident and to avoid these differents of opinion with great causes I suggest that Seddie-admins (for example SeddieBerserker) should only be able to ban Seddiers or only because of posts NOT regarding Seddie. Same ofcourse go for Creddie-admins and/or Cam-admins. If an admin finds someone he/she wants to ban because of 'Ship Warring' against his own ship, he/she should ask another (less biased) admin to take a decision. I know the banning process will be slower, but I hope we can avoid unpleasure situation like the above stated with this. I hope it makes sense, if not, forget this post Cameddie 08:52, April 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * We could say that a block for Ship Warring has to be confirmed by at least three people; since we have two Seddie, one Creddie, one Cam and one neutral admin, that would make sure there is at least one unbiased opinion in it. Gotta think about it. Mak23686 18:54, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re:New block rule?
What do you mean by "confirmed"? Parstin32 17:48, April 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. Parstin32 18:07, April 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, that sounds good. Lotstar 02:40, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

It's unfortunate we have to do this as a result of the wild allegations of one person, but go ahead. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  14:44, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Help!
Hey! And about me messing up my talk page and prfile, I just don't get it! Can you please help me with this? (:The Melanie Puckett 15:45, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much! (: The Melanie Puckett 15:51, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that...
Sorry about that violent comment. I'll try to control myself next time. But, if I asked Jade what was her favorite horror movie, would that be inappropriate? (And yes, I know this is a roleplay thing). ♪I wish that I could have this moment 4 life♫ ♪Whenever you call, baby I&#39;ll roll up♫ ♪After a hurricane comes a rainbow♫ 21:45, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Just a roleplay question... I heard that the accounts for Tori, Trina, and Cat have been made, but I can't find 'em. ♪I wish that I could have this moment 4 life♫ ♪Whenever you call, baby I&#39;ll roll up♫ ♪After a hurricane comes a rainbow♫ 22:09, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, one last question and I'm done for tonight: Has a "Nevel" account been created? I just thought that it'd be funny. No, I'm not auditioning to be Nevel; I just asked. If not, can it be possible since he is important to iCarly? ♪I wish that I could have this moment 4 life♫ ♪Whenever you call, baby I&#39;ll roll up♫ ♪After a hurricane comes a rainbow♫ 00:04, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

fun question I've been wanting to know
when was the first time this wiki has been active? I ask you because you've been here a long time; I've seen your comments that you've posted in February 2010 Kittygirl7878 01:01, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Mail
Email sent. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  15:50, April 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Make sure you sign Sockstar's talk page, so he knows it was you.
 * Already did after you tweeted me. Mak23686 19:41, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Congrats
Congratulations, Jennette favorited a tweet by you :] Alica123 23:06, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Policies
I think we should add character bashing and attacking cast members to the list. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  19:14, April 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Attacking cast members already is (#8), but we really SHOULD add the characters (I thought they were, too... well, I was wrong). Mak23686 19:24, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

The role of Carly Shay
Hey Mak, I'm having trouble re-casting for Carly Shay (the original Carly has been MIA for several days. Do you think you would like to audition/rp as Carly?

Trust me, the auditions I've got for her, well, you can see one here:

http://icarly.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Sam_Puckett/OPEN_AUDITIONS_FOR_THE_CHARACTER_CARLY_SHAY!!!

What say you?

MellamoSammo! 04:42, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Delete blog?
Should we delete this blog? --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  17:41, April 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, we could; if I hadn't blocked the author already because of several ship-warring comments, though, I wouldn't punish them otherwise because I think this blog is mainly based on a lack of understanding. Mak23686 17:46, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Emily and Kathy's last name in "iOwe You"
I looked up the entries for Piper MacKenzie Harris (Emily) and Jennifer O'Dell (Kathy) on the Internet Movie Database (IMDB). In their credits, the characters they played on iCarly are given as "Emily Millford" and "Kathy Millford."

I figure that iCarly's creators provided the characters with full names, just in case they'd be needed, but it just didn't happen to come up when they were writing the script.

Serene Girl 18:14, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I'm sorry. I deleted that information from the text, but I can't figure out how to change the page names. The Editing Help said to click on a "Move" option in the Edit menu, but all I see there is a "History" option.

Serene Girl 18:37, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

I tried that, but the only option in the Edit menu (that I can see, at least) is "History." I checked the History page, but I couldn't find an option to move or rename the page there, either.

Serene Girl 18:51, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Our little friend is SPAMming
Mak, our new, little "friend" (Captain xxx) is SPAMming us now. The IP block you did isn't working, as you indicated, if he uses another computer. I did block his new ID, but you should block *that* new IP he is using. He can get to only a limited number of computers to get around the IP block! Yes, I was being German with him using one of the few words I know in your language. Presuming I spelled it correctly in the right grammar. Katydidit 19:35, May 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * He could also be using different proxy servers, i think (not sure, though), which would make it a lot more difficult.


 * Correctly, it would have been "Verstanden?" or "Verstehst du?". Mak23686 19:42, May 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I re-blocked him in his new ID (Captain xx2) with the additional reason of 'intimidation/harrassment'). If he uses proxy servers, we're in for a long problem with this character. Unless you can get the head WIKI people to figure out how to block proxy servers. Ok, so I never did understand all the grammatical rules. I just enjoy using 'verstahe' when it seems appropriate. LOL Katydidit 19:46, May 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've now blocked and deleted more of his new IDs and comments, but I'd rather not be doing this. Can you or SeddieBerserker talk to WIKI and see if they know a way to block people who use proxy servers. I don't know the technical details on how they do this on one computer; I wish I did! Thanks! Katydidit 20:26, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Check Block
I don't get it! When I first came on here ship warring was a problem, and it took a lot of blocking to get it to die down. Then someone comes in and starts another ship war! Parstin32 20:19, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Unfair Treatment to Creddiers
The admin, Katydidit, deleted the conversation I was having with @Xxcreddier4presidentxx just because it had nothing to do with iCarly or Creddie (it was about Harry Potter). I don't think it's fair at all.

So Creddiers aren't allowed to socialize with each other but Seddiers are? The Seddiers are often off topic and no one deletes their stuff. Maybe that's why they have more fun with eachother, and there are less Creddiers here. Cause they aren't allowed to talk to each other unless it's about Creddie.

If this is a rule, I hope it's one that all the admins agreed on. I personally think it's pretty silly. Sure this is the iCarly wiki and we should talk about iCarly. But can't we talk about our lives and be friends too? I don't find this is fair at all that we are being treated like this. Creddiers want to be allowed to talk about other stuff too!!!

MirandaJathan93 01:18, May 2, 2011 (UTC)MirandaJathan93

I added a new rule - your opinion on how good, wording
Mak, I added a new rule on the Policy page ('Inappropriate' section) because of very long off-topic comments that had nothing to do with iCarly. #15 here. Let me know if it is a good one. Feel free to re-word it if you can make it sound better or clearer. Thanks. Katydidit 01:45, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Just out of curiousity, do all of the admins approve of this new rule? It seems like @Katydidit made it up on the spot and is now deleting comments off of pages. Everyone is friends and we cherish our comments and conversatons to each other. All of our memories will be deleted just because some pointless ridiculous rule. No wikia that I've heard of punishes you if you talk about things that are off topic. It's just so stupid!

MirandaJathan93 03:47, May 2, 2011 (UTC)MirandaJathan93

URGENT: I'm having a lot of negative feedback - did I go too far?
Mak, I'm getting a lot of flak and negative feedback on trying to limit off-topic comments. Did I go too far? Should I just quit being an admin.? I don't like being unpopular as much as anybody else feels. I didn't intend this to happen on what seemed an obvious rule addition, but it did. Tell me if I'm right, or am I "power-hungry" as accused by someone who was not named "Captain." Should I recind the rule, and let anything go on the pages, as long as they aren't obscene or abusive? Thanks. Katydidit 04:09, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Split
I would like to split the Seddie and Creddie pages into additional material pages. To include quotes, fansites, hints, etc. Should we get permission first? --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  10:44, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Important issue
This was left on my talk page. You might want to check it out. Parstin32 11:48, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Featured Media...
..Is the music video of Generation Love. But you put in the pitched version (I had to pitch it since it was blocked all the time :/)

Here's a not blocked version which isn't pitched, just that it isn't HD quality, but since the player is extremely small it doesn't make much of a difference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi-SeJSRhV8&feature=related

Would be really nice if you put that one on the homepage instead since it's not pitched or backwards.

Alica123 17:08, May 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Mak23686 17:30, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Dude, Why in the World Did You Delete my Article... My Little Sister Wrote that... Now She's Crying...

Hey Man, Dont Worry. She Saids thanks...Ever Since SHe Stopped Writing about Spasha she Now Gets Great GRades...So She said THANKS!! =)

Ship Warrring?!
If what I said on Cam was ship warring, then somebody (not you at all :-D) seriously took shipping too far. Not yelling at you, but please tell me why it was possibly considered ship warring. MR tG

Just to check.
Hi, Mak. I was wondering if you could read my fanfiction (labeled "She's a demon" on my page") and give some constructive criticism/comments. I know you don't directly support Seddie, but I think you may have read a few fanfictions to differenciate good from bad. Thanks!

 I know what I want to do when I look at you. 19:33, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

Just stopping by to say hi.

A rude user
Hey I'm NeneG! A user named Sawyerloveseddie commented on the Creddie page and said "IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN U LOSERS"

Thank you,

NeneG  Leave me a message!  23:36, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

..Vevo made the official Video for Generation Love available everywhere...
...So I suggest to put that one on the home page, since it has way better quality and well... It's the official upload, somehow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy-OigqT-Xw

Alica123 19:00, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

I clicked on it, says "not available in your country." (Okay, can be fixed with hot spot shield, but I'd rather have it easily accessible) Mak23686 19:10, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Mak!
Hey, is there ANYTHING you need help on? Like deleting pages or trolls? I will be glad to help. I agree with your blog about people putting WAY to many categories on pages. I did that once, but I stopped because I didn't know.

Around like a while ago, I put a stop to some creddier posting way to many categories on the creddie page. And I deleted the ones. I'm still doing that now, so if you need ANYTHING, talk to me at Seddieftwyea, I&#39;m good, I&#39;m great, but YOU ARE AWESOME! 19:55, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Cool!
Alright! Thanks! I already started. A lot of them have 11 categories and that is because they say "Season 1, season 2, season 3 season 4" Its really annoying! Seddieftwyea, I&#39;m good, I&#39;m great, but YOU ARE AWESOME! 20:18, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Finished:)
All done! Thanks for letting me help. Oh, and I have a question. Why do u have administrators that are rarely on? That does not do good! XD Seddieftwyea, I&#39;m good, I&#39;m great, but YOU ARE AWESOME! 20:53, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Season 5?
Do you think since iDate Sam and Freddie is #401 that it will be the beginning of season 5? --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  18:53, May 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Pretty confused with the seasons, too; I think I remember that Dan said they are filming the rest of season 4 now, and the newly greenlit one is season 5. Mak23686 18:59, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

Hey
What rule did i exactly break? Just curious. I'm not trying to make anybody feel bad. lol. Basically you are saying just let them have that blog to vent? If you think they need that, i will def stay out of it. I think you do a great job on this wiki. Hopefully i just misunderstand what you said and i didnt do anything wrong. Take care.

Slicknickshady 17:32, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. Will do. :)

Slicknickshady 17:41, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for converting my fanfic into a blog :) I was just messing around when I wrote it and wasn't sure what to do :P

Jax
Slicknickshady is very concerned that there is fabricated content on the Jax page. I just deleted something that implied they were sleeping together. If it were up to me, we wouldn't even have RL ship pages, I feel they are an invasion of privacy. Could you give a heads up to the other admins to watch for changes on those pages? --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  19:20, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

The Jathan page has nothing like the stuff that's on the Jax page. A lot of the stuff on the Jathan page is sourced. Not interviews that don't mention the other and implying thats who Jennette or Nathan were talking about. No tweets from Jennette or Nathan that didnt mention the others name or that were sent to nobody in particular and saying it was meant to for the other.

I have no problem with the real life shipping pages as long as it's not fabricated BS.

Slicknickshady 19:23, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

Hey. I'm interested in a civil discussion about this. Nowhere on the page does it make any type of announcement that Jennette and Max are romantically involved. Much like any real life shipping page, including the one for Jathan, people can take events and connections and interpret them how they want to for their own personal bias, which happens to frequently be a romantic bias in the case of Jathan. Just saying. I have been nothing but polite to people who have been really mean to me about this. Yet it seems no one wants to have a dignified conversation about it, which I'd like.

AllzFayre 08:43, May 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not really a fan of the real life ships either; I tolerate them, but that's it. I would be very much in favor of deleting them, but I guess that would piss people off too much. Mak23686 13:30, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding promptly. It's my position that if any real life ship page is to be deleted, ALL of them should be. No matter what is listed on these pages as a "moment" between any real life parties, platonic or romantic, is entirely speculation regardless, set up largely for the purpose of romantic suggestion and/or excessive interest in a relationship of which none of us take part. If one of these pages "crosses the line," then I categorically believe that ALL of them do.
 * I also think it's an **abomination** that the preference of pairing two real life people should cause people to get VICIOUS and manipulative on this site or elsewhere for selfish interests, and that manipulation and down-talk would be tolerated for the sake of avoiding further outlash by people who aren't even willing to be reasonable if they see something they don't personally like.
 * AllzFayre 17:22, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I also think it's an **abomination** that the preference of pairing two real life people should cause people to get VICIOUS and manipulative on this site or elsewhere for selfish interests, and that manipulation and down-talk would be tolerated for the sake of avoiding further outlash by people who aren't even willing to be reasonable if they see something they don't personally like.
 * AllzFayre 17:22, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * AllzFayre 17:22, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

It's Offficial! iLOST MY MIND is a REAL iCarly ep!
Here's the link to the casting call.

http://slicknickshady.tumblr.com/post/5442640263/its-official-the-2nd-episode-of-the-new-season

MellamoSammo! 04:50, May 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, now we know. Mak23686 13:27, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Real-Life Shippings
Honestly, there doesn't seem to be any reason for real life shippings; the cast is obviously friends. Parstin32 21:11, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

I personally don't really care about real-life pairings, and while I think it is a bit unnecessery, as long as things don't get too out of hand with rumors, I think it's fine. But, as you said, if one goes, the rest will have to. Lotstar 02:33, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Jathan Page
Does the Jathan page and other real life shipping page have to be deleted. I'll admit there's some fabricated rumors about their dating life, but it mostly about their friendship and it does involve two of the most popular actors on the show besides Miranda, Jennette and Nathan are good friends and work together more so than Miranda sometimes I think it deserves to still be a page. Just my opinion.

--DevonAndersen 23:08, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, well I know Jathan is special to some people. I personally love their friendship as well. But while people have different opinions, I think that if one RLS page goes, then ALL of them should go. A shipping page is what people make of it, and it doesn't follow that one of them should supposedly cause rumors while the other one doesn't.

For example, plenty of naive people think that Nathan and Jennette are dating. And they say so, and they bug them about it directly on Twitter. I know there are many sources to get those ideas from (unfortunately), but how a page on iCarly Wikia wouldn't continue to mislead some simpler people, while another "supposedly" does, is quite frankly beyond me.

AllzFayre 02:21, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re: R/L Shipping pages
Hey, SeddieBerserker tweeted me to talk to you. Myself, Slicknickshady and SeddieBerserker think that for the real life shipping pages, we should reserve it to the 5 main characters, as well as do a mass overhaul of those that are staying up. Along with this, I think we should consider checking out the Seddie/Creddie pages as well. What do you think? MellamoSammo! 02:30, May 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Leaving only the main cast ships up and limiting them to strictly friendship would be a reasonable compromise, I think. A cleanup would probably be necessary, I don't know, I never look at them.


 * As for Seddie and Creddie, I cleaned them up once, and I said this was a one time deal (because it really was a LOT of work and I'm busy with other things now); clean them again if you want to, but I think its their own fault if they let their pages go to waste. Mak23686 07:12, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to help, since I've got some free time next month. Maybe I could clean up the Seddie and Creddie pages. Parstin32 14:00, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reason for Deleting RLS Pages
At the same time, I'm just curious: what would be the reason(s) for deleting RLS pages? Because I don't see at all why any reasons for it would apply to some and not others. It just doesn't make sense to me. Can I vote for all or nothing? I strongly feel that the pages also can't be trusted at all to be limited to just friendship, or to not imply something further, using interperative information. That's what shipping comes to include, real life or otherwise.

AllzFayre 11:21, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Email sent
I sent you an email regarding Sockstar. Get back to me as soon as possible. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  12:40, May 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you did with his talk page. Why did you post all his blogs? --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  13:21, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Last time we talked, he complained he could "never get his blog back", so I gave him the text so he can revise it. Mak23686 13:34, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Creddie bashing.
My first order of buisness as a "valuable member of the community" is to draw your attention to this:

http://icarly.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Itzxlucy/Sam_can%27t_just_fall_out_of_love_with_Freddie

This blog is full of Creddie bashing.

"That's absolutely ridiculous, I understand a lot of you are young and don't understand what love is, but you don't just "fall out love with someone." - Making Creddie users feel insignificant.

"I know it upsets the Creddiers, and you're trying to find a way to bring it back to Creddie, but Sam falling out of love with Freddie is just not going to happen." - Bashing Creddie saying it'll never happen.

"Carly may be jealous, but she had her chance and she lost it." - Bashing Carly.

And in the comments:

"THIS! Carly did have her chance. Even though Freddie was in love with Carly for 2 years he's slowly getting over her."

"Carly did lose her chance."

"For Dan to make Sam fall out of love with Freddie would be ridiculous. Enough said."

"OMG! Some Creddiers REALLY get on my nerves "fall out of love" WTF!?!?!?!??!?! "obviosily Sam will get over Freddie!" I mean c'mon!"

''So true. I mean have they watched the series? ''

- Carly and Creddie bashing.

"your ignorance astounds me...."

Bashing a creddie user.

I could go on and on. I don't think that blog post is very fair towards the Creddiers here and even to the Creddie people who posted in it. Sockstar1 18:50, May 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Go ahead and delete it, those type of blogs cause nothing but problems --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  21:28, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re:The Blog
The blog raises some pretty good points, but it's a bit harsh towards Creddiers. Honestly, I don't know what to do with it. Parstin32 21:35, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm, it's maybe a little bit over the top, but I don't think it needs to be deleted. Lotstar 01:50, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism
Hi, I noticed you are all talking about Glee Wiki's vandalism and have already blocked the user. But, I was wondering if you were actually vandalized, because other wikis think you have been lol. Either way, the best course of action is to protect all of your important templates as well as any images used on the main page. And if you do see any of the awful images don't click on it, just revert the changes. Babyjabba 02:40, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Jax and Jathan/Niranda pages
Hi! I'm wondering what it would take, since you seem to be forming an opinion, to salvage the Jax page.

I'd like to mention that currently in the Jathan ship page, there is plenty of misleading/false suggestively romantic information and fluff that has no bearing on even their friendship. Same with 'Niranda', which is even more appalling and downright blatant about romance between the two. To a significant extent with these, literally. I like their friendships, but it makes me curious why one supposedly "void" of content like that would go and the other one would stay. Thanks.

AllzFayre 11:54, May 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * On the Jax page, there are a lot of things that say nothing at all, like stuff they both happen to enjoy. Limit the page to actual proven interaction between them (with proof like Tweets / pics and so on), then it might make sense. The Jathan page has references for a lot of points, which makes it a legitimate collection of moments. Th Niranda page would need a makeover, though, especially the quite suggestive magazine article.
 * On top of that, Max was only a one appearance character, we are thinking about limiting the real life ships to the main cast members. If we do that, we would have to clean up those pages, too, of course. Mak23686 14:43, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, and I undertstand what you're saying. But I do hope that ALL pages are cleaned up and represent friendship only, then. There is a lot of proven interaction, for example, between Jennette and Nathan, but a lot of those points are just videos or pics where they're standing next to each other for no reason. Also:
 * Nathan was not Jennette's first kiss and I have documentation, but no one wants to listen, nor did she ever say, that the kiss with Nathan is the only kiss that "she considers to be her only true kiss" (which it says on the page). And then of course, a lot of random stuff that they both enjoy or both did and also random connections, with no relevance to their relationship except Interpretation/Implication. It's just very frustrating when certain users accuse me of the same things they do with their ships (inappropriateness aside, which I willingly removed).
 * AllzFayre 15:17, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nathan was not Jennette's first kiss and I have documentation, but no one wants to listen, nor did she ever say, that the kiss with Nathan is the only kiss that "she considers to be her only true kiss" (which it says on the page). And then of course, a lot of random stuff that they both enjoy or both did and also random connections, with no relevance to their relationship except Interpretation/Implication. It's just very frustrating when certain users accuse me of the same things they do with their ships (inappropriateness aside, which I willingly removed).
 * AllzFayre 15:17, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

My Blog you deleted
Why did you delete my blog about Sam not being able to fall out of love with Freddie? It wasn't ship warring, and it was pretty calm compared to the other Seddie blogs, and those weren't deleted. The Sam Puckett's blog wasn't deleted when hers has a lot more feedback then mine did. I hadn't checked it in a while so something might have happened when I didn't check it, I just want to know the reason. Thanks.


 * Some paragraphs were a little harsh on Creddie; since most admins saw this, too, but were indecisive about it, I decided to keep it save and delete the blog. I didn't really count it as ship warring, because if I had, you would have gotten at least a warning. Especially with Sockstar (a VERY enthusiastic Creddie shipper) back, I'd prefer to be a little extra-careful now. Mak23686 16:31, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

More Creddie bashing
Like the person above said, this post has a lot of Creddie Bashing in it. It's all very similar to the other blog post that was deleted, the admins should do the same to this blog post:

http://icarly.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Sam_Puckett/Why_Carly_Is_NOT_Going_To_Make_A_Move_On_Freddie_After_iOMG

Whilst it may be from a Cam fan and not a Seddie fan, it is still overly harsh towards Creddie and it's users. It it, the user says that anyone who still ships Creddie is attacking Seddie and Cam, which I think is very harsh towards Creddie fans. They also bash Creddie by saying it's done and finished. I don't think that's very fair either, as anyone who pointed out that Cam is never going to happen because of various meta-fictional reasons would be considered "bashers" of Cam. The rest of the post then bashes Carly. Obviously the comments continue on this line.

Thank you,

A concerned citizen.

Sockstar1 08:57, May 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * She doesn't say that shipping Creddie attacks Seddie and Cam, implying that Carly would be jealous and ruin a date between them would, that's different.


 * It also doesn't bash Carly, it only points out flaws her character has; an unflawed character would be boring, and it should be allowed to show a character's flaws.


 * Personally, I would maybe take out the part about Creddie having sailed, but let it stay otherwise, but since it was written by a fellow Cam shipper of mine (who's also one of my closest acquaintances here), I'll let the other admins decide what to do with it. Mak23686 16:39, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just change that line. There's nothing wrong with having a strong opinion, as long as you don't bash. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  18:21, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous
The hacker group Anonymous is targeting Wikia for a spot to vandalize. I'm not sure why they're doing this (because we aren't anything that's a threat to America), but to prevent a major attack, I suggest locking all the pages for a week. What do you think? Parstin32 11:55, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Vandal
Yep, I saw that you did a lot of preemptive banning and protecting of templates :) I'm glad you were ready for him. Is he still attacking or has he finally given up? Babyjabba 16:32, May 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Didn't completely get him, unfortunately, he still managed to upload the picture for half an hour after I deleted it the first time; I forgot to limit the uploading of that file to admins.


 * I haven't seen him since Saturday. Mak23686 16:41, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Roleplayers
Yeah, well vampire Freddie seemed harmless, and the traffic went way down, so I figured he could stay... Think I'll leave the main 5.

MellamoSammo! 18:01, May 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nahh, I'd just delete the blogs of the recast characters or the random r/p characters that haven't been put up for recasting. The victorious crew, Sam's mom, Melanie and so on can stay for all that I care. Mak23686 18:04, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

That works! So long as I don't get a mile high list of complaints, I'm good. Thanks! MellamoSammo! 18:07, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Vandals

 * 1) Anonymous is an internet group that originated from an internet spot called 4chan. It takes down sites that are a threat to America.
 * 2) Twice users have claimed that MeepSheep is anonymous, but I noticed that anonymous does things for a long time, so I'm beginning to doubt that Anonymous has anything to do with this. Parstin32 19:28, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's just keep our eyes open for the moment; If anything happens again, we can still lock the pages, but don't forget to write a blog explaining it if we have to. Mak23686 19:37, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Another blog
There's nothing wrong with the blog. It just expresses an opinion. Parstin32 19:28, May 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * I took out the one line that average Creddie shippers might think of as offensive (extremists might still not like it bc it criticizes Carly a little, but we can't cater to those). Mak23686 19:39, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you should just leave it with what you did (deleting the "Creddie has sailed" line). We can't delete every blog just because it says a slightly anti-Creddie opinion. Lotstar 02:10, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you should just leave it with what you did (deleting the "Creddie has sailed" line). We can't delete every blog just because it says a slightly anti-Creddie opinion. Lotstar 02:10, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

DM's
I sent you messages on twitter. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  19:46, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re:User
Sorry. did i mess it up?

Jathan page
Is it just me or is this really inaccurate? It says they are 'best friends' when Jennette has recently said they are just friends and not best friends, and that Jennette's first kiss was Nathan when she had to kiss someone else in an episode of Zoey 101 earlier. It seems like there is one major Jathan fan who is ignoring actual evidence because he doesn't want to come to terms with the fact Jennette and Nathan are just friends and not secretly dating or even 'best friends'.

I made a simple edit to reflect Jennette's most recent information, only to have it removed by someone who still claims they are "best friends" despite Jennette herself saying they are just friends and that she dislikes people who make their friendship out to be bigger than it actually is.

I'd suggest the page be locked and all the references to them dating or being 'best friends' be removed because it'll turn into an edit war otherwise.

Sockstar1 04:47, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * We have to do a makeover of the real life ships and keep an eye on them anyway, I'm just kinda busy at the moment. Mak23686 18:49, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe could you get another mod/admin to look at it? Right now there's one person who isn't listening to everyone and continues to refuse to accept changes. Sockstar1 19:45, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Niranda Page, Jathan page (or maybe real life shipping pages in particular)
So I checked the Niranda page.

There are some "facts" which are just ridicilious.

"Miranda's name starts with an "M", and Nathan's name starts with an "N". M and N are next to each other in the alphabet."

Seriously?

''"Miranda wants to go to college at USC, and Nathan wants to go to college at UCLA. Both of those colleges are in Los Angeles." ''Or this??

I already deleted some ridicilious stuff after asking about an argument in the comments section, like "Nathan and Miranda both live in Los Angeles, and Nathan's girlfriend, Madisen Hill, lives in St. Louis, MO, and she occasionally goes out there for a long period of time leaving Nathan in LA. "(was this supposed to mean that it highers the chances of Nathan betraying Madisen o.O?)

Anyways, the page is pretty messed up, so I'll ask you if I'm allowed to clean it up a bit? You can check it after I'm done and undo my edits if you want to.

Same with the Jathan page, but at the moment someone is "overprotecting" it, so I can do this later when the person calms down and agrees with it.

Please answer, no matter if yes or no, just let me know.

Alica123 18:33, May 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure, help is always appreciated; me and SeddieBerserker are planning to clean up the R/L ships anyway, but I have a lot of work at the moment, so I'll only be able to do it on the weekend. Mak23686 18:39, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, then I'll start with it NOW. When you dislike my edits, just undo them. Alica123 18:42, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I have talked to SeddieBerserker. He thinks the opening paragraphs are fine. He made the compromise yesterday. I agree they need to be cleaned up. But I am not wrong here. That tweet did not make anything clear the other day. Nathan has said they are best friends. So doesnt has opinion count? There is a different between "best friend" and "we are the best of friends" or "one of my best friends". So her tweet the other day doesnt make those last two invalid.
 * Slicknickshady 18:53, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I sent you an email on the matter. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  20:28, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * It doesn't make the last two invalid? Jennette herself specifically said they aren't best friends. I don't know how much more clear it can be. Nathan probably just doesn't want to talk about it. It's clear. Not best friends. Just friends. Nothing more. She wants people to stop feeling obligated to make them closer than they are. Sockstar1 04:35, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * They still seem to be the closest friends of the iCarly cast, can we agree on that? Mak23686 16:04, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * How Roxas82 (The Sam Puckett) edited the opening paragraph was perfectly fine and nuetral. Nothing is wrong with the opening paragraph. Slicknickshady 17:00, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * They aren't though. Miranda and Jerry have been friends for a decade. Sockstar1 17:20, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my bad, I was only thinking of the teenaged actors when I wrote that. Mak23686 17:23, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I also suggest that the page be locked to the format that everyone but slick agrees to and slick barred from reverting the page again. By constantly reverting the page he's breaking the long standing wiki guidelines about 3RR. Although I do understand if this practice is not followed here, it is disruptive and he is essentially holding the page to ransom because he cannot accept the rest of the communities viewpoint.
 * He refuses to accept the evidence showing they are no longer best or even 'close' friends. Which is quite odd since he is the owner of the SeddieWarrior91 twitter account which asked Jenette the question where she replied she isn't best friends with Nathan. Perhaps that's part of the reason he is fighting it, because he doesn't want to be known as the person who made Jenette tell everyone her and Nathan aren't best friends now?
 * Everyone else in the Jathan comments section agrees with the interpretation they aren't best friends. They are just friends. He can use the word "documentation" all he likes, but it will never change the fact Jennette doesn't want us as viewers to make her and Nathan to appear to be closer than they are. If we continue to post the falsehood that they are 'close' or 'best friends' then we are going against her wishes or calling her a liar. Sockstar1 17:28, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't block one person from editing a page (technically impossible). the tweet makes it legit that they are not "best" friends any more, I think; If Slick keeps putting that back in, we (the admins, not you) are going to talk to him. Mak23686 17:45, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * He just reverted the page again. He needs to be told to stop it. He is reverting a completely legitimate edit, and this is vandalism. If he cannot be trusted to stop removing legitimate editing, he should be warned by the admins and then blocked from editing if he continues. Sockstar1 17:49, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think the opening paragraph is fine the way it is now; there is no need to go too far into details right at the beginning of the page. Mak23686 17:55, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I accidentally over wrote an edit of yours. I apologise if this was the case. The way the page is as of the most recent edit of mine is acceptable, as it is the most accurate and up to date information but still tells the reader about the past. I just hope slicknickshady can accept that this is the best way forward. Sockstar1 17:58, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Since this discussion kinda leads nowhere, I'm gonna let all the admins vote on if we need that line about the tweet in the opening; you two promise to accept the decision, whatever it is? Mak23686 18:03, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll ask you this. Is there anything at all factually incorrect about the opening paragraph now? Is it not the most up to date, accurate summary of their friendship? Jennette herself said she doesn't like when people feel obligated to make them appear closer than they are. By taking out the latest, accurate and timely information, the site is doing the exact thing Jennette dislikes us iCarly fans doing.
 * Is it worth damaging the credibility of the site just to appease someone who cannot face the facts that he himself (via the SeddieWarrior91 account that he owned) gathered by asking Jennette and telling her that her and Nathan were best friends?
 * If you read the comments, Datonagirl. AllzFayre. ICarlyRulez5101. PurpleJerk. Purple kupkake. Guydudeasian. Tash1. Purple xx and Alica123 all agree that they are just friends and not close or best friends any longer.
 * Sockstar1 18:14, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll ask you this. Is there anything at all factually incorrect about the opening paragraph now? Is it not the most up to date, accurate summary of their friendship? Jennette herself said she doesn't like when people feel obligated to make them appear closer than they are. By taking out the latest, accurate and timely information, the site is doing the exact thing Jennette dislikes us iCarly fans doing.
 * Is it worth damaging the credibility of the site just to appease someone who cannot face the facts that he himself (via the SeddieWarrior91 account that he owned) gathered by asking Jennette and telling her that her and Nathan were best friends?
 * If you read the comments, Datonagirl. AllzFayre. ICarlyRulez5101. PurpleJerk. Purple kupkake. Guydudeasian. Tash1. Purple xx and Alica123 all agree that they are just friends and not close or best friends any longer.
 * Sockstar1 18:14, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you read the comments, Datonagirl. AllzFayre. ICarlyRulez5101. PurpleJerk. Purple kupkake. Guydudeasian. Tash1. Purple xx and Alica123 all agree that they are just friends and not close or best friends any longer.
 * Sockstar1 18:14, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sockstar1 18:14, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

Trouble with 'Miranda Cosgrove' on CAST menu at top of pages
On the "Characters-Episodes-CAST-Community" menu header, I'm having trouble getting 'Miranda Cosgrove' to go to. Can you check it out and fix it? Thanks! Katydidit 03:40, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that, i didnt meant to do that
But Sockstar edited your edit! Your edit was fine! Roxas edit was fine yesterday. Sockstar keeps changing perfectly fine edits by SeddieBerserker, Roxas, and You.

I was merely adding more detail and accuracy, making the opening paragraph up to date, as well as improving the grammar (there was a missed word or two in it). I also added a link to the tweet where Jen replied to you that they were no longer best friends. As opposed to your edits, which are constantly reverting perfectly accurate edits to a state which is no longer accurate. Sockstar1 18:10, May 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Our version of the opening paragraph says that they referred to each other as best friends "in the past", which already implies that they don't do so any more; the opening paragraph is supposed to give a general overview of the topic (which it does without your line), details are supposed to be in the article.


 * As I mentioned, I'm gonna let the admins decide if we need that line; My vote is "no". Mak23686 18:14, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * If I am to understand, you'd rather a line which is about the past, and only implies their current status (because a reader could see "they use to refer to best friends in the past" then assume "oh, they must be dating now, if they aren't best friends", instead of a line which is recent and very clear on what their status is now? This is a wiki, it should be as accurate as it can. To use an analogy, would you let me go to the Seddie page and put "In the past Sam acted like she didn't like Freddie" and complete ignore iOMG? Sockstar1 18:23, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * If people care about the details of the Jathan friendship, they are gonna read the page, where all the details are listed; in my opinion, implications are enough for an opening paragraph. Also, the page already says its for friendship only, it cuts out the dating thing right at the beginning. Also, I can't understand why you're going against them being "best friends" if your real problem are dating rumors; why don't you add something like "both of them have denied any romantic connection"? Mak23686 18:30, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * "If people care about the details of their friendship they are gonna read the page." In that case, I suggest you remove the information about them being best friends in the past and only include that they are just friends now. That is the most up to date information and people can read the rest of the page if they want to see the detail about the past. Sockstar1 18:47, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, that could be worth thinking about. Mak23686 18:54, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it would be for the best. Just a simple line about how they are just friends. It would meant we don't have to worry about what people might or might not think about their level of friendship in the past, it would be accurate and based on recent information, and it would mean slick's issue about the line saying they are no longer best friends could be left onto the main body of the article where people can read if they want more detail:

It is also very rarely, almost never called Nennette, Jennath or Jennathan. Jennette has confirmed they are just friends. OR:
 * Jathan is the pairing of Jennette McCurdy and Nathan Kress (J/ennette + N/athan). It is also very rarely, almost never called Nennette, Jennath or Jennathan. Jennette and Nathan are just friends.
 * I wouldn't have a problem with either of those, the second one would probably work best. If you chose to use this, as long as it wasn't changed again, I would be perfectly fine and happy with it being used as the opening paragraph, and I hope it's up in this fashion when I wake up tomorrow (assuming the Earth hasn't been destroyed whilst I sleep). Sockstar1 19:09, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't have a problem with either of those, the second one would probably work best. If you chose to use this, as long as it wasn't changed again, I would be perfectly fine and happy with it being used as the opening paragraph, and I hope it's up in this fashion when I wake up tomorrow (assuming the Earth hasn't been destroyed whilst I sleep). Sockstar1 19:09, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

The line isn't necessary. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  18:43, May 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * I explained my reasoning in the paragraph you responded to; I don't have any more ties to Slick than you. Mak23686 18:54, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Jathan page
I think it's kinda improperly placed. Dimes Are 4Ever 20:17, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

Just changing it to "Jennette and Nathan are friends" would be OK, I think. Lotstar 23:21, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

Double Standard
As long as the "very good friends" is took out of the niranda page then I would be fine with the above compromise.

I just want it to be fair. I feel like there is a double standard when it comes to the Niranda and Jathan pages. The Niranda page is in so much worse shape than the Jathan page it isnt even funny. So if you take that stuff out of the jathan page opening paragraphs, then similar stuff needs to be took out of the niranda pages opening paragraph.

Slicknickshady 00:17, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Actually it doesn't. It's not a 'double standard' because Niranda are very good friends. Unlike Jathan who are 'just friends' and not best friends. Alica123 is already working on the page to improve it along with several other users, it doesn't need mod intervention like the Jathan page did, as the Niranda page is smaller and easier to follow, and doesn't have anyone overprotecting it. If there is any issue, it will get brought up in due course by the editors. Sockstar1 05:21, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

@Sockstar That is INDEED a double standard! That's like saying Jiranda are BEST BUDS for hanging out together in MEmphis for portions of the time. They're all friends, no exalting one over the other. You want just friends, they're "just friends". Nathan and Miranda are great friends, but even Miranda's admitted to being closeest on set to Jerry, Jennette cited Nathan

MellamoSammo! 05:46, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yep, if it turns into "just friends" in the opening of the Jathan page. Then it needs to do the same in the opening of the Niranda page.

Slicknickshady 05:48, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Stop trying to attack the Mathan/Niranda page just because you damaged Jen and Nathan's friendship by continually tweeting to her so much she unfollowed Nathan because she was tired of people saying they were best friends or dating. The page doesn't need protection or moderator intervention because it's perfectly fine with the current set of editors, unlike Jathan which had you overprotecting it. Myself and Alice123 will be going over the page to improve it, moderator input is not required at this stage imo. Sockstar1 06:19, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Update: I have decided to edit the opening paragraph of the Jiranda thread to alleviate your concerns until we can thorougly update the page in the future. Sockstar1 06:48, May 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, I think it would be most fair to make all the opening paragraphs equally neutral; state that they are friends, but don't add anything that implies one pairing is closer than the other. Mak23686 10:27, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * How is that fair? You completely removed all references to Nathan and Miranda being friends and left the part about Jennette and Nathan being best friends in. Sockstar1 10:50, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Still working on it, I couldn't think of a proper way of phrasing things between Nathan and Miranda without making it look like they are closer than Jennette and Nathan. Mak23686 10:57, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * They aren't best friends now though. That's what this entire 'edit war' was about, Slick's insistence they still were despite Jenette making it clear they aren't with her tweets and unfollowing Nathan. Any reference to them being best friends should be removed and people can view it on the main body of the article. People can read the main part of the article to see what their friendship was like in the past. Sockstar1 11:00, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Is it really the article you have a problem with, or do you just like messing with Slick? Mak23686 11:06, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * A dozen people had issues with the Jathan page being overprotected by Slick. Tash1 and AllzFayre had issues with it before I came along. You wanted me to be a helpful wikia user after my unblock. I'm simply trying to be helpful and make the wikia as accurate as it can. Slick thinks anyone who disagrees with him has a personal vendetta against him.
 * This is just like every other personal vendetta he believed that people have against him, ie imagined. Just like the people on the old Seddie forum admins who banned him didn't have a personal vendetta, the people in the groovy smoothie on LiveJournal who banned him didn't have a personal vendetta and Dan himself who banned Slick from his blog didn't have a personal vendetta against him. His paranoia is his issue and not mine and it has nothing to do with the content on this site.
 * If slick had listened to the other 12 people who all agreed with each other's viewpoint (you can see who further up the page), then there would not be a problem. Sockstar1 11:17, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the Jathan introduction is pretty accurate the way it is now; it shows what the page is about in a nutshell, and says that they are still considered friends without encouraging any rumors. The Jiranda page mentions the development of their friendship in the introduction, too, so why shouldn't Jathan?
 * I don't know about what happened on other sites, but it seems to me like a personal fight between you two; If this is the case, you two should work things out without pulling third parties in. Mak23686 11:35, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * The only person it's personal for is slick. Because everything that isn't what he believes is personal. I'm merely trying to make this site accurate, and letting him overprotect the page wasn't right, and many people agreed with that. And as for that.. you said before that you wanted to make the pages equal. I believe the best way would be for all the pages to remove any mention of 'friends' or 'best friends' or 'they used to be best friends' and just leave it as strictly neutral:
 * Niranda (N/athan and M/iranda) is the name of the friendship involving Miranda Cosgrove and Nathan Kress.This pairing is also sometimes referred to Mathan (M/iranda + N/athan).
 * Jathan is the pairing of Jennette McCurdy and Nathan Kress (J/ennette + N/athan). It is also very rarely, almost never called Nennette, Jennath or Jennathan.
 * Jiranda is the friendship between Miranda Cosgrove and Jennette McCurdy (J/ennette and M/iranda).
 * Then the line about how it has nothing to do with their 'icarly ship' and that it's about friendship only.
 * Right now the Jathan page implies that they are closer than Jiranda/Niranda, and it says "but they haven't used this term recently" (implying that they are still best friends that just haven't mentioned it) when it should be something closer to "Jenette has said they aren't best friends recently". It's unfair at the moment and ignores that Jenette has specifically said they aren't best friends in favour of an ambigous statement that may or may not indicate they are best friends.
 * That's why I believe it's best to remove all references to how 'good' or 'close' their friendships are, because you aren't going to put in the most accurate information for Jathan (no longer best friends) because you are worried that it will upset Slicknickshady and that will make the pages unequal. I can understand that you and seddieberseker don't want to upset him, which is why the best solution is the compromise that removes all the talk about 'best friends Sockstar1 11:44, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * BTW, the Jathan page should have "pairing" replaced with Friendship to make it equal. Sockstar1 12:22, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Removing all mentions would be ultima ratio, but I still think it doesn't hurt to have a short summary of any notable development in the opening. Mak23686 12:44, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * What would you say the 'latest' developments are?
 * Jathan: Don't refer to each other as "best friends" any more; I think the unfollowing could be bc they are annoyed by gossip and want to keep any interaction private.
 * Jiranda: Hang out a lot, apparently are better friends now.
 * Niranda: Haven't heard anything, can't say. Mak23686 13:12, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * What if we just say that they are friends. Nothing more, nothing less, and equal for all the sides, without being creepy in a way that Jenette has recently spoke out against, and without implying anything more, letting the reader of the page go through the page itself and allowing them to decide. Any more 'developments' can be added to the main page area.Sockstar1 13:46, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I find it interesting that you had no interest in the Jax page, and all the unsourced rumors it had. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  14:14, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was unblocked late on the 14th, and Jax was deleted early on the 16th. It had already been brought to the admin's attention on the 12th before I was unblocked according to this talk page. I couldn't have an interest in a page which was already in the process of being deleted by the time I became active again. What exactly is interesting about it? Are you implying that it's my fault the Jax page was allowed to become inaccurate despite my block? If that is the case, you should be supporting the dozen people who wanted to fix the Jathan page to make it accurate again. Or are you implying something else? Sockstar1 15:02, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I find it interesting that you had no interest in the Jax page, and all the unsourced rumors it had. --  SeddieBerserker   (talk)  14:14, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was unblocked late on the 14th, and Jax was deleted early on the 16th. It had already been brought to the admin's attention on the 12th before I was unblocked according to this talk page. I couldn't have an interest in a page which was already in the process of being deleted by the time I became active again. What exactly is interesting about it? Are you implying that it's my fault the Jax page was allowed to become inaccurate despite my block? If that is the case, you should be supporting the dozen people who wanted to fix the Jathan page to make it accurate again. Or are you implying something else? Sockstar1 15:02, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

A Blog That Practially Screams Shipwarring
This blog http://icarly.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:SeddieLoves89/Creddies,_Please_Stop?cb=280 has got to go.

Thanks.

RosalieTheBrave 03:14, May 21, 2011 (UTC)RosalieTheBrave