Talk:Seddie/@comment-3522361-20120520144247/@comment-4184884-20120520162957

@SammtJo16: I agree. I think this whole Carly thing is a plot device for seddie (sort of like creddie has always been.) I think Dan could have chosen less...controversial (for lack of a better word) characters to show Jade and Sam's jealousy and obvious feelings for the guys in question. Especially considering the fact that it's clear that the idea of a romantic relationship between Beck/Tori and Freddie/Carly has always been an issue for Jade and Sam, respectively. The whole "stay away from my boyfriend" thing was the initial problem between Tori and Jade, right? And even as early as the 3rd season, Creddie had Sam wanting to puke up blood. It's always been clear that there was a dislike and insecurity on Sam & Jade's parts with Creddie/Bori and it sucks to see Dan basically confirming that because it hurts the guys' characters and, as you said, makes them look really dense.

Thinking about it though, I'm not surprised that Dan is doing this.

@Liz'sLemon: I actually do think Beck was a jerk for reasons explained above but, I do agree that Freddie going after Carly is much worse in that, as you said, Carly is literally like Sam's sister. There is no question about the closeness of their relationship and it really does make Freddie look awful going after Carly like that. The fact that he doesn't seem to be aware that that is not okay, does serious damage to his character.

As bad as it makes him seem though, I still believe it's a plot device and possibly just him trying to get over Sam. Someone else said this somewhere, but his "is it too late" essentially sounded like he went looking for a plan b. Like, plan a had suddenly fallen through and at the last minute he was unexpectedly left scrambling for something else and so he goes to the only other girl he's around all the time. Carly. I think it's also just easier for Dan to bring Carly back in because she IS always there and there is that history. Plus, she's certainly more of a threat from the audience's perspective than a random girl would be (though there is still that episode with Madisen's character, so it looks like we might be getting that "random girl" story line as well.)

I'm not excusing Freddie's choices. Not at all. I think it was wrong and there were much better ways to go about it that didn't damage Freddie's character. However, I do see the potential logic Dan might have used in having him go after her of all people.