Talk:Seddie/@comment-5679407-20140706112829

@iEmbargo: your previously mentioned objections to both ships are not of essence. The argument that Creddie was the intention of iCarly while Seddie was a concilation is an argument that seeks to bolster Creddie's integrity. When one states an intention, a scheme that would serve its purpose is a logical implication. Given that there's only been one episode that served Creddie's plot (both romantic and platonic,) if there was indeed an intention, it was either poorly served or non-existent. Compare that to Seddie where in season 2 and early season 3, you have episodes like iKiss, iTwins, and iThink They Kissed where the fact that Sam and Freddie kissed each other is given focus or mention. And then there's the arc that would subsequently be followed by iPear Store, where once again, an allusion to past episodes is made when Sam states that she and Freddie used to date. To me, at least, that would imply a design -- or an intention. Freddie's crush on Carly was intentional. I'm not denying it. Creddie being the intention needs a more convincing argument. I'm not against the notion of Creddie. (iSaved Your Life is definitely in my top 5 best iCarly episodes.)

@cartoonprincess: I wouldn't necessarily say that a Seddie "endgame" was the intention. I think that's where the debate over Creddie vs. Seddie becomes tumultous. Even in my fiction, where Sam and Freddie are given closure, I don't put them together. To me, the appeal of Seddie was the journey that characterized their relationship as opposed to: he has a crush, she's indifferent to it -- they belong together! I do believe, however, that the series in part was set up to have Sam and Freddie grow close. I think it went sour -- or perhaps it was a ticking time bomb to begin with -- when Dan started to indulge himself as a brand as opposed to writer of iCarly. Most of his shows seem to be extensions of himself. We have an episode, iParty with Victorious, which can be reasonably said to be intended to shore up viewers for his new show, not a plot to serve iCarly's mythos. Even, iGoodbye, which should have been a spectacular end to a popular 109 episode series was more of a stepping stone for his other show. Rather than serving his story with integrity, he plugs his other projects. This may make him a fantastic producer, but an inconsistent and rather unscrupulous writer. Maybe it was the (season 1-3) writers leaving; maybe it was his work on ViCTORIOUS; or maybe it was when Sam & Cat was greenlighted. I couldn't really say.


 * Note* I don't like to indulge the whole Niranda, Jathan, Jiranda thing because no shrewd speculation can be offered that serves any context of iCarly.