Talk:Creddie/@comment-3541132-20140211054528/@comment-14284535-20140312023627

@Sockstar1 - First, thanks for taking the time for a thorough response.

Before I respond, I want to be clear about what I am responding to. It looks like you and I have very different points of view, experiences, etc. on virtually every point.

##########

''It's very simple. Freddie broke up with Sam after saying he loved her, in an episode where it was made clear on the show itself, that Sam & Freddie were forcing their relationship to become something it wasn't...''

''What they were attempting was a romantic relationship, i.e. a relationship where "love" would mean romantic love. That was declared by both to be invalid, and forcing the relationship to be something it wasn't. And since the romantic relationship is invalid, it leaves only their use of 'love' to mean the friendship way. ''

##########

There are three points I need clarified here. Is the premise of this that because they are trying to force the relationship to be BF-GF and, in your terms, "the romantic relationship is invalid", then they don't have romantic love for each other? Is unrequited love not really love then because a romantic relationship doesn't occur? And when Carly says that Sam loves Freddie in "iCan't Take It," is your argument that I should assume that Sam means that platonically?

##########

Then later Freddie asked Carly if it was too late to love him, and then in the final episode Carly and Freddie kissed.

If Freddie really loved Sam romantically, he'd would never have: 

1) Confirmed that they were forcing a romantic relationship from a non-romantic one. If he did love her romantically, then the entire premise of their relationship being forced is invalid.

2) Following 2, if the relationship wasn't forced, and their feelings were real, then they would never have broken up. They broke up specifically because their feelings weren't romantic. 

3) Never asked Carly if it was too late to love him.

4) Kissed Carly back before she left. 

5) Celebrated kissing Carly. 

##########

These two questions overlap a bit, but I want some shading of meaning. Are you arguing that because Sam and Freddie broke up, they did not love each other romantically? Are you also saying that Freddie would not have gone back to Carly if Sam and Freddie did love each other romantically?

##########

It looks like the crux of your arguments is that you can love one and only one person in your life. Is that it? If it is, then why do people divorce, remarry, etc.? If not, then why can't Freddie love Carly, then love Sam, then love Carly again?

Take a look at my point of view. Before I met my wife, I didn't marry one woman because she had PTSD from abuse as a child and her doctors told me that dating me was causing her to go insane. I didn't marry another woman because her family's lives were threatened. (I am non-white; her "neighbours" were white supremacists.)  I didn't marry a third woman because we could not agree on the number of kids. But I love them all - differently, but no more nor less. The other three are married; they get along with my wife and I get along with their husbands. Everyone knows about our pasts.