Talk:Creddie/@comment-2133744-20110716043624/@comment-2032682-20110716103906

It basically comes down to that there are Seddie shippers who completely love Sam, and forgive all her negative behaviour and call it "comedy" and something not to take seriously. Only things which portray Sam as delicate, or with "hidden feelings" or that she has "emotionally walls" that Freddie can "break down" is treated seriously.

Then there are Creddie fans who don't simply love Sam unconditionally. We see that Sam has some very negative traits. Her actions towards Freddie may be partly comedic, but they are often intensely disrespectful of Freddie and other people in her life. We don't want those features to be glossed over and ignored. This leads to tension between the two groups, and the perception that everyone who likes Creddie is a "Sam basher".

There is a few specific people who continually call people who have negative opinions of Sam "bashers" regardless of their actual intent, or being constructively critical of Sam or the writing. They are very vocal, Creddie's 'voice' is much quieter (for good reasons) and makes it hard to counter-act the vocal Seddie shippers.

This leads to the perception from Seddie shippers that Creddie shippers "bash" Sam and that Sam needs to be defended.

Another point which causes friction is people downplaying Sam's negative traits as "comedic" but not doing the same for Carly. They exaggerate her mildly bratty behaviour towards Spencer (but ignore Sam's behaviour toward Freddie, Melanie, Pam and occasionally Spencer) and call her a bad sister, call her 'skanky' for having relationships, say she "always gets the guy" when she has just as much bad luck with guys as Sam does, or call her "perfect" in the sense "god, Carly is so boring and perfect, just like Creddie, yawn boring perfect Creddie".