User blog comment:IEmbargo/iCarly - What Do You Think?/@comment-14284535-20140323020935/@comment-24856071-20140323195029

''We are just going to differ in whether or not Carly looks at Sam and Freddie before talking with Spencer and Jenna. Let me make my point of view clear: Carly the character is speaking to Spencer and Jenna only; but, IMHO, Dan Schneider the writer is speaking to Seddiers as represented by the Freddie and Sam. The direction and scripting of the scene is pretty clear to me. ''

You're thoughts on Dan Schneider are absolutely plausible, and although I dont COMPLETELY think that's the TOTAL case, you could be right. We are going to just have to differ whether Carly looks at Sam and Freddie, because honestly, even going into a NEUTRAL position, a head tilt does not mean in my opinion "hey Sam and Freddie, listen up, I'm talking about you!" and I think they expected the audience to assume that Sam and Freddie OVERHEARD Carly WITHOUT Carly noticing them.

''I believe that you are correct in asserting that we the viewers are to believe that Sam still loves Freddie at the end of iCarly, no matter what his feelings may be. I also think that we are expected to believe, to some extent, that Freddie feels something for Sam too. But, as Creddiers note, the feelings for Carly appeared to be stronger at that time. In either event, it is clear that, from TKTJ, that he still has something for Sam that is stronger than mere platonic friendship. (The story as presented doesn't work without it.)  However, I think that was there to make sure that Seddiers had hope in Sam & Cat. Yes, I am that cynical. ''

And I agree with Creddiers that Freddie's feelings appeared to be MUCH stronger for Carly than Sam throughout, but if Creddie was the ULTIMATE ending, IMHO, I think they would have NEVER given any CLEAR indications that Sam still loved Freddie, and they would have shown Carly show more of crushing on Freddie (I'm sure you'll give off points of Carly starting to like Freddie AFTER iLove You that I don't see even in a NEUTRAL point besides the Creddie kiss in iGoodbye). Of course the Seddie in TKTJ could have been to have the Seddiers keep hope and then they end up never having Seddie, but IMHO, although it's possible, I think it would be SUCH A STUPID move to after TKTJ have Carly come home and say "Oh Freddie, I was in Italy and realized you are the love of my life" and Freddie say "Oh Carly, I have NEVER stopped loving you even after everything", they kiss, and Sam is just supposed to be 100% okay with that and be happy for them? If they didn't show AFTER iLove You AND in #TheKillerTunaJump that SAM CLEARLY still loved Freddie, then maybe it would be much more believable. I'm not necessarily saying that WON'T happen, because I think there is like about a 40%-50% chance of that happening, but they may not even have a sequel to #TKTJ or an iCarly reunion EVER, which will leave Creddiers with a kiss and Seddiers with the idea that Sam and Freddie still have unresolved feelings for each other.

''I should point out that the cross-over from a platonic to romantic relationship is a very awkward one. And you can never go back. There is a lot good about it, but there is a lot bad about it. ''

Yes, both the iGoodbye kiss and the iOMG kiss had a strong sense of awkwardness after that COULD be interpreted from going to a platonic relationship to a romantic relationship. However, that's not ALWAYS the case with awkwardness after a kiss. As I've said, even looking at both kisses from a NEUTRAL point, the iGoodbye kiss seemed awkward in the way, "that was awkward, I don't ever want to do that again, let's leave this room ASAP and forget that ever happened" (at least in Carly's POV), and the kiss in iOMG felt more like "what just happened, what's going to happen next? why did I do that, he'll never like me, I'm terrified (Sam) and why did she kiss me, does she like me, do I like her (Freddie)" Not just from the kiss and reactions, but the actual vibes I get from the SCENES just makes me feel they have those distinct differences. You disagree, but those are the differences I get from those kisses.