Talk:Seddie/@comment-4071010-20120515035344

''How is Sam realistic and not a mary sue? She does no work or training on anything, she doesn't try at all at school yet: ''

{C} §  {C}''She is never punished for her in-plot actions. When she is she ignores the punishment. She has even 'cheated' punishments by changing them herself. ''

{C} §  {C}''She is a mean bully. Gets away with bullying constantly. She destroys Freddie's possessions at the drop of a hat never has to deal with the consequences. She's broken backpacks, cameras, laptops, bikes, his college chances and ' a job  'and she still doesn't suffer at all for her actions. ''

{C} §  {C}''She always wins. Locker 239, paintball assassin, the reading bet she made, the beauty pageant (despite completely screwing up all but the final section). ''

{C} §  {C}''She eats like a pig and never gains weight. ''

{C} §  {C}''Her skills that are never shown being trained or spoken of until they need them for plot reasons include high skill at drawing, dancing, singing, rapping, lockpicking, computer hacking, painting, speaking Italian, being a 'people person', saleswoman and fighting (despite fighting requiring a lot of training to be any good at). This is despite having no ongoing training in anything except maybe the lockpicking. ''

<p style="margin-top:2.25pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:2.25pt;margin-left:30pt;text-indent:-0.25in;line-height:15pt;background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(245,232,241);background-position:initialinitial;background-repeat:initialinitial;">{C} §  {C}''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">She has superhuman strength for her body type and what she eats. ''

<p style="margin-top:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(245,232,241);background-position:initialinitial;background-repeat:initialinitial;">''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">The only reason people ignore these traits is (in general) because of shipping. ''

<p style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(245,232,241);background-position:initialinitial;background-repeat:initialinitial;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">Megan on Drake & Josh was '<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;"> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-top-color:windowtext;border-right-color:windowtext;border-bottom-color:windowtext;border-left-color:windowtext;border-top-width:1pt;border-right-width:1pt;border-bottom-width:1pt;border-left-width:1pt;padding-top:0in;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:0in;">hated <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;"> '<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">by the fandom. ''

<p style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(245,232,241);background-position:initialinitial;background-repeat:initialinitial;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">Sam is '<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;"> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-top-color:windowtext;border-right-color:windowtext;border-bottom-color:windowtext;border-left-color:windowtext;border-top-width:1pt;border-right-width:1pt;border-bottom-width:1pt;border-left-width:1pt;padding-top:0in;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:0in;">worse <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;"> '<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">as a person than Megan ever was, but she's loved and adored. ''

<p style="margin-top:12pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(245,232,241);background-position:initialinitial;background-repeat:initialinitial;">''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">They want to ship Sam and Freddie but you can't do that if you actually have to deal with all the bad things Sam has done to him. ''

<p style="margin-top:12pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(245,232,241);background-position:initialinitial;background-repeat:initialinitial;">''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">That's why so many seddie shippers love their "subtext". Because it lets them invent hidden meanings to on-screen actions. Sam breaks something of Freddies? Sam hurts Freddie? It's all because she got angry that he loves Carly or because of her mom, or some other excuse that lets them ignore her actions and concentrate on inventing 'evidence' for Seddie. ''

<p style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(245,232,241);background-position:initialinitial;background-repeat:initialinitial;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-top-color:windowtext;border-right-color:windowtext;border-bottom-color:windowtext;border-left-color:windowtext;border-top-width:1pt;border-right-width:1pt;border-bottom-width:1pt;border-left-width:1pt;padding-top:0in;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:0in;">Sam is a Mary Sue, ''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;"> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">of the "Jerk" variety. It's been conclusively proven through out the run of the show that Sam is given a huge free pass and gets away with things Freddie and Carly never would. ''